Message from @CasualDevil

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2018-06-13 03:06:17 UTC  

@Lotus Calme
See the issue from that thinking is it stems from a church system much like your opponent

2018-06-13 03:06:22 UTC  

lemme finish

2018-06-13 03:06:27 UTC  

hang on you two

2018-06-13 03:07:33 UTC  

the three factors have to do with the four questions in a theological setting

2018-06-13 03:09:59 UTC  

What are the three ideas lol?

2018-06-13 03:11:49 UTC  

Hang on computer crashed, now on my phone

2018-06-13 03:11:53 UTC  

kkk

2018-06-13 03:12:47 UTC  

The three ideas are correspondence, coherence, and provable falsifiability

2018-06-13 03:13:26 UTC  

And each of those are tests to the theology of a religion

2018-06-13 03:14:08 UTC  

And a religion’s ideology is based on four questions mankind asks itself

2018-06-13 03:14:13 UTC  

Morals

2018-06-13 03:14:18 UTC  

Destiny

2018-06-13 03:15:30 UTC  

Meaning

2018-06-13 03:15:37 UTC  

And origin

2018-06-13 03:17:48 UTC  

Each answer to the four fundamental questions must be coherent, must corespond with reality, and must be provably true

2018-06-13 03:19:06 UTC  

okay, that falsifiability was throwing me off there

2018-06-13 03:19:28 UTC  

Ye

2018-06-13 03:21:04 UTC  

To give an example, if Christ said he’d return as a spirit rather than a body he wouldn’t be provably falsifiable, because you have no we to prove or disprove a spirit

2018-06-13 03:21:24 UTC  

That’s what I mean by provably falsifiable

2018-06-13 03:21:42 UTC  

If it is wrong, then one can prove it

2018-06-13 03:22:12 UTC  

It seems like a pretty solid definition of what makes a religion, as the attempt of it is to try to comprehend truth. But there also exist paradoxes too from our lack of understanding

2018-06-13 03:23:40 UTC  

So it's ideology is narrow minded despite it's efforts of trying to make sense of the order of nature

2018-06-13 03:23:42 UTC  

Yeah, the fix to most parodoxes in this case though would be to study further and absorb more information

2018-06-13 03:23:55 UTC  

that too can help with advancements

2018-06-13 03:24:03 UTC  

Exactly

2018-06-13 03:24:13 UTC  

You guys catch on fast

2018-06-13 03:24:37 UTC  

Most of the people I try to talk to about this seem mostly from r/atheism

2018-06-13 03:24:52 UTC  

fuck plebbit honestly lol

2018-06-13 03:25:17 UTC  

Damn straight

2018-06-13 03:26:41 UTC  

yknow I wonder with the idea of a transcendental law or being romantics would talk about, what does that imply for freewill?

2018-06-13 03:29:45 UTC  

It implies free will exists

2018-06-13 03:36:49 UTC  

one, because we can chose to disobey the transcendent laws

2018-06-13 03:37:31 UTC  

two, because if humans have a nature and only that nature we hove no capacity to seek the truth, and many of us have sought the truth

2018-06-13 03:40:45 UTC  

I might be confusing transcendentalism for Immanence with the orders of nature

2018-06-13 03:40:46 UTC  

Free will isn’t real

2018-06-13 03:41:00 UTC  

Cause and effect prevents it from existing

2018-06-13 03:41:11 UTC  

how so?

2018-06-13 03:41:48 UTC  

All decisions come from influences

2018-06-13 03:42:00 UTC  

We can’t make them without an influence

2018-06-13 03:42:22 UTC  

so you're telling me that as an automaton?

2018-06-13 03:42:24 UTC  

And everyone makes decisions in a certain way depending on their brain