Anyone wanna have a discussion about theology with me?

God and the like

i wanted to look at the philosophical implications of god as a concept

you're thinking mythology

im looking for something i little more profound

wanna discuss?

@CasualDevil i was thinking of more along the lines of the notion of free will and creation

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depends on the context tho

the way we can determine on what holy script is right is by three factors

im getting to that

lemme finish

hang on you two

the three factors have to do with the four questions in a theological setting

Hang on computer crashed, now on my phone

The three ideas are correspondence, coherence, and provable falsifiability

And each of those are tests to the theology of a religion

And a religion’s ideology is based on four questions mankind asks itself

Morals

Destiny

Meaning

And origin

Each answer to the four fundamental questions must be coherent, must corespond with reality, and must be provably true

Ye

To give an example, if Christ said he’d return as a spirit rather than a body he wouldn’t be provably falsifiable, because you have no we to prove or disprove a spirit

That’s what I mean by provably falsifiable

If it is wrong, then one can prove it

Yeah, the fix to most parodoxes in this case though would be to study further and absorb more information

Exactly

You guys catch on fast

Most of the people I try to talk to about this seem mostly from r/atheism

Damn straight

It implies free will exists

one, because we can chose to disobey the transcendent laws

two, because if humans have a nature and only that nature we hove no capacity to seek the truth, and many of us have sought the truth

how so?

so you're telling me that as an automaton?

then how is it the moment i make a truth claim or seek out the truth i rise above predeterminalism?

the laws of entropy say no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64MiGLQ30w

watch this for some context to my arguments

i parasphrased him a little

also false

you mean the physical manifestation of free will can be

but not the free will itself

i use my free will to disagree with you

then why is the argument here arbitrary?

not really

i simply chose to disagree with you

i have no reason to disagree with you other than i disagree with you

and thats not even a real reason

because?

how you do that?

no, i just chose to disagree with you

false

exactly @iowa

free will is arbitrary and simple, thats also the beauty behind it

your brain is the way you physically manifest choice in the real world

not its influence

then how can i make truth claims?

once i make a truth claim, i rise above determinalism

you forget to use the logic you have at your deposal thats how

if all choices are logical outcomes, then how come we make illogical choices every day?

even if thats the case, how come we make choices that dont somehow benefit us one way or another and are completely arbitrary?

because it doesnt exist

there is no science behind free will

only us

which is why you dont know it

because it doesnt need it, so it doesnt have it

false

still false

nothing

if we came from nothing

then

and if our choices always somehow lead to death

i.e. nothing

then, we have free will, because it comes from nothing

*drops mic*

i just told you

one moment, are you a naturalist or a theist?

no it cant

@Slendy are you a naturalist or a theist?

also to the thing you just said, then what if the choice has no right or wrong answer?

what then of free will?

ah, now i get it

even then, the moment i seek the truth, i rise above being predetermined

our choices come from nothing

because their choises

false

big... bang...

before the big bang, nothing was everything and everything was nothing

and yet, here we are

then how are we here? our conciousness if not from nothing?

good point

oh, you mean when two opposite particles come from NOTHING?

we dont understand free will either yet you claim to

you cant box up free will in a definition, its too big for that with too many implications

yes

theres plenty

ok, lemme ask you a question. if a man with no moral experience for whatever reason was given a piece of paper. that had one question with four different answers about a moral question. which one would he chose?