yeah, don't quote me on your essays or anything

Too late lol

@Deleted User Moses De Leon was not the author. The Rabbi, Shimon Bar, was the one to have completed the Zohar. I don't blame you, at first glance typing ''Zohar date creation'' gives 13th century date.

plus I think I may have called a named fault by a city name instead of the fault name yesterday, but I can't remember

point is, it was a transform fault

that was still right

https://kabbalah.com/en/master-kabbalists/the-land-is-a-ball pretty spooky

most people thought it was round

Dante's Divine Comedy cited a round earth so that purgatory could exist opposite to civilization

@Amthyric In the renaissance, many people believe in round earth but not in the ancient times. I was surprised to see other people than greek philosopher think that the earth was round. So far from what I know, it was a couple of greerk philosophers and jewish kabbalists who tought the earth was round in ancient times.

that said, Dante was pre-Columbus

the article is about Columbus

Renaissance started pre-Columbus, it started around the 14th century

It's not unusual to find out most people in the renaissance believed in round earth, but it is unusual to find people in ancient times believe that it was round.

correct

It had it's inception during the late 15 early 16th century

@Sassy Undeniably just curious what are you studying in university?

?

Entreprenual BAAS and cosmetology

Ok just curious

and kinesiology

Hey I have a few friends in kinesiology

Yeah

@rivenator12113 the Zohar is a medieval document. I don’t know what you’re referencing about the 13th century

It’s essentially fanfic about a bunch of famous rabbis

@rivenator12113 some of the rabbis mentioned in it are from far earlier, as you said. But the actual document was written in the Middle Ages

many of the scientific theories the world clings to are largely based on the Zohar/Kaballah philosophies. things like string theory for example, quantum physics etc.

i wish i took notes on specifics. one sec

@Deleted User The teachings of the Zohar was introduced by a rabbi 2000 years ago but they were persecuted and could never publish their work. Moses took their work and published it to the public, he ascribed all the works of the Zohar to Shimon Bar

@rivenator12113 when are you claiming the Zohar was written?

@Millennium Envoy nnnnope

look into it

respected "scientists" have said it already

@Deleted User mb, 2000 years ago

@Deleted User 2nd century ad

it was kept in secret until Moses published it

The Zohar was supposedly discovered being used as wrapping for fish from the market

it should be. its a sinister ideology that will lead to the justification of a one world religion down the line

Big pieces of it are like if someone wrote the avengers with historical characters from different times and places

Like if a British story had Alfred the great hanging out with Queen Victoria and Lancelot

Moses deleon said that it was passed down generation by generation starting with it's creator, Shimon

We know from the geography in it that it was probably written in medieval Spain

I'm not arguing who published it first

Moses Deleon, the guy who published, ascribed the work to Shimon

who dated back to 2nd century ad

and said that it was passed down generation by generation by fear of getting persecuted if it was ever published to the masses back in the roman times

romans weren't very accepting of jews

https://atrueott.wordpress.com/tag/heliocentrism-origins/

@rivenator12113 as the post you shared also says, it mentions things after the Talmud. It is necessarily post-Talmudic. The Talmud was written in the Middle Ages.

Again, you got your history wrong. It got published in the middle ages but it was not written in the middle ages. Not a very hard concept to grasp, publish != creation

the reason it couldn't be available to the public was fear of getting persecuted so it was kept secret

new horizon footage hot off the press

now at 180,000 feet 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPCIHR9A38Q

its coffin is flat tho

LMAO

@rivenator12113 again, that is not accurate. It references events that happened in the Middle Ages and references the Talmud. It was written in the Middle Ages.

When do you think it was written?

Did you read the article you posted? It says all this.

whatever you do...be sure to keep arguing and ignore the dead flat horizon at 180,000 feet.

and keep bring up nonsense about sun movements.....gravity.....seismic waves.....

“...together with the circumstance that it refers to historical events of the post-Talmudical period...”

cause it matters so much that some bs from way back then was the start of all your disbelief and well you have to get the order right about who threw the first punch and which punch was the best one

@Deleted User https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/texts/talmud.shtml are you really saying that the talmud was composed in the middle ages? where are you getting this from?

never mind that the victor or oppressor's told the history we just going to ignore that fact and just keep going

@Deleted User every search says from 1st century ad to 6th century ad. nowhere close to the middle ages. where are you looking for that pseudo history?

Maybe I’m thinking of the Mishnah as well

i had some guy the other day tell me that the sumerians were round earthers, pseudohistorians are on the rise

My mistake- does not invalidate my point however

As the article you posted said, 2nd-5th century

So when the other article you posted says post-Talmudic, that means 5th century onward

Either way, it puts its creation well after classical Greece as we discussed earlier, and well after the “2000 years ago” number you cited

''Between the 2nd and 5th centuries''

Yep, that is when it was written

Interesting 👍 @Sassy Undeniably

So “post Talmudic” would mean after that period

But even if you want to take the 2nd century as your line

And say the whole thing was written on 1/1/100

All my points still stand.

it's literally written CE, another word for AD

*1/1/101

Yep, correct

What is your question?

At this point I’ve forgotten your original point if there ever was one

What are you trying to prove?

If it’s that the first flat earth reference is in the Zohar, then that is debunked by your own dates

*round earth

man, you can find somebody else to troll, you first referred to the talmud being created to the middle ages now you completely switch views then say ''i was right'' wtf?

I was mistaken, I was thinking of the combined Talmud and mishna

But as I said, even at the dates you provided for the Talmud, your hypothesis is disproven

What even is this conversation?

i have no idea, she said talmud now switches to something else

Yes River, would you care to state what you’re trying to prove?

i'm honestly confused

@Flat Earth PhD There's curvature in that new horizon footage. 😬

@rivenator12113 was saying that the first reference to a round earth is in the Talmud

And I was disproving that

you said that the zohar was created in the middle ages, which was false. you said the talmud was created in the middle ages, which was false.

i mean, based on what is said in the talmud itself, it wouldnt be surprising if its existence is much older than we're told. i've never read any text that encourages such deceptive behavior

The Zohar was created in the Middle Ages

What does this have to do with the earth's shape though? <:confused:625494374402228244>

@Deleted User straw manning right now? i said the zohar

Sorry, my mistake

The Zohar

Which is a middle age document

@floridaswamptrash a lot of so-called theories are just based on the philosophies of the zohar,kaballah and other mystic texts

I thought the Talmud was a middle age document, but as River rightly pointed out, it was a late antiquity document

zohar dates back to 2nd century AD

No, that’s incorrect

By your own sources that’s incorrect

And even if it were correct, it disproves your original point

i gave you 2 sources and a citation

So are you just arguing to argue?

Yes, and both agree with me

What is your question?

@Millennium Envoy Aight

''De León ascribed the work to Shimon bar Yochai ("Rashbi"), a rabbi of the 2nd century during the Roman persecution[5] ''

Mhm, did you read the next sentence?

as·cribe
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verb
past tense: ascribed; past participle: ascribed
attribute something to (a cause).

Where they say it can’t possible have been him because it references things that happened after the Talmud?

If you’re going to be an asshole, you might want to have your facts straight

together with the circumstance that it refers to historical events of the post-Talmudical period,

When you read that, what does that mean to you?

@floridaswamptrash which makes arguing about religion pretty much pointless

De Leon never said he completed the Zohar, he compiled all the works that was passed down and published it

Yes, good work, that’s correct

Now did you read the entire article like a good boy?

Finish your homework

He gave the works credit to a 2nd century rabbi

Mhm, and what does the article say about that assertion?

Do you need me to answer that for you, or can you read all the letters yourself?

ok im positive im getting trolled lmao

@Sassy Undeniably Possibility

Well you’re being a petulant child so that’s how I’m treating you

But can you answer the question?

@Deleted User publisher != creator of the book

Did you read the whole article?

Just mute Sophia, insults

Mhm yes good job honey

well when you realize it is just a belief you then gain perspective and put it in it's proper place

Now did you finish the whole article like a big boy?

Where it says that attribution can’t possibly be accurate

Because it references things in the post Talmudic period?

Post-Talmudic means “after the Talmud”

she doesn't know anything about history, she attributed the talmud to the middle ages then said the zorah was created in the middle ages wtf

Let me know if you’re still following along

The Zohar was created in the Middle Ages

The Talmud was created in late antiquity

seems to me this discussion should happen in the religious section

I was confusing the Talmud with the combined Talmud and mishna, it was my mistake

But my point still stands

in your head

Ok, so we’ve proved that the Zohar was written after the Talmud

Mhm, what part of my point doesn’t stand honey?

Can you use your words like a big boy?

Maybe make a full syllogism like they’re teaching you in your freshman logic class?

It’s ok sweetie I’ll wait

Sophia please stop being condescending and trying to belittle someone. Why don't you use your big girl brain if you are so smart and leave the not so subtle insult behind.

@Deleted User take a deep breath, in and out. why are you being so hostile? it's fine, you learned your lesson that the zohar was created by who and that the talmud isn't a middle age book. hopefully you will stop spreading pseudohistory

Hello Cancer folks

@rivenator12113 so you’re not able to answer the question I asked you?

<:PotatoFlatEarth:651630736712925195>

Just mute I say it's a waste of typing

@Sassy Undeniably because I have absolutely not the slightest respect for this rude subhuman trash.

over what?

prove to me the earth is flat

He’s an intellectually dishonest moron and needs to be treated as such

You doing to much girl

hmm i don't like to mute 😛 but this one is very emotional

So River, we’re waiting for you to answer

What part of my point doesn’t stand?

Or we can just move on

your refutation was false

No, it wasn’t

My refutation was accurate

You claimed the Zohar was written in ancient times

Or in the first century, you’ve made both claims

And I proved that you were wrong

The Zohar was written in the Middle Ages, as both your sources show

How old are you, sincerely

your claim is, Moses Delon published in the 16th century therefore it was created in the middle ages.

Nope

Invalid claim

That is not my claim

@Andrewi https://twitter.com/Urisoli/status/1198988421777297408?s=20

Patents don't make it in use peope can file patents for a flying washing machine

The publisher is not the creator

I never made that claim

Never once have I made that claim

What was your claim then?

The Zohar was written in the Middle Ages because of all the references to the Middle Ages in it

Honestly did you read the articles you sent?

All the way through?

It was passed down generation to generation, but was created in the 2nd century. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Do any of these references out right say it is The Zohar or because it is similar to what is said in it that it must be that it existed in that time?

@rivenator12113 ok, let me try to simplify this for you

If you find a piece of paper

Yeah ignore me dude that'll prove your point

That says at the top “written in 1995” and goes on to talk about the 9/11 terrorist attacks

@Deleted User Can you give me the references that claim for it to be in the middle ages?

@Deleted User show me this paper

Yes, it’s in the article you posted and I’ve pasted it about 5 times

So given the situation I stated

When was that piece of paper written?

I can add a layer to make it more apropos:

@Deleted User You haven't given me those references, come on.

A piece of paper says at the top “written in 1995” and goes on to talk about the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Then someone gives it you today and says “I found this, it was written in 1995”

When was it written?

What’s the date range?

You said that there was references saying it was written and created in the middle ages, back up your claim instead of giving useless analogies.

**crickets**

how long did it take to write the full zohar

We’ll get there, I need you to answer the question first

It was created by a 2nd century AD rabbi, I don't KNOW how much time it took but it was passed down generation by generation.

I’ve already provided the quote for you, if you don’t want to scroll up you can answer my question

I asked you a question, why are you afraid to answer it? That’s two questions now your ignored

It was written in the Middle Ages

I backed up my claim

Answer the question- you have not backed your claim

Your sources disprove your own claim

Back up your claim and give me the references that says it was created in the middle ages.

Now I’m happy to respond, but you’ve ignored 2 of my questions

As soon as you answer them, I’ll answer yours

*crickets*

Are you not gonna provide a source or citation backing your claim like I did?

Yep, as soon as you answer my questions I’ll happily answer yours

So no?

Gotta have a little give and take here

Yep! As soon as you answer my questions

Happy to answer yours

But I’m not just going to be interrogated, gotta have some give and take

What a time killer, thought I could learn something new

Yep, happy to do so!

Now are you capable of answering my questions?

What are you afraid of exactly?

Not gonna hurt a bit I promise

Welp, guess he gave up.

In summary:

The Talmud was written in late antiquity

The Zohar was written in the Middle Ages

The Zohar references a round earth, but is not even close to the first document to do so.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Now I’m out, dm me if you want to revisit anything.

like i said waaay up there, a lot of our accepted "science" comes from mystic texts like the zohar and kaballah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimon_bar_Yochai ''with the authorship of the Zohar, the chief work of Kabbalah.'' @Deleted User Hopefully this is easier to understand for you

''was a 2nd-century tannaitic sage'' not Middle Ages

Mkay honey, so can you answer my questions?