I know Tim believes it is mostly cultural. But someone Like Stefan will pull numbers saying it is split around 20/80

That's because most of the studies he's found suggest 50% minimum. And I've found the same

However the cultural argument should also be, to lefties, racist

Which is probably why IQ is verboten

He meaning Stefan, not Tim

That said, IQ isn't perfect

I don't think IQ perfectly maps ones potential ability. It lacks nuance. However I do view it as a strong indicator for an individuals ability.

nobody says it maps perfectly to potential ability

highest number I've ever seen is like 86%

Look up studies on twins separated at birth.

That should give you some indication.

those are just case studies. There's larger studies with more data that still point towards considerable influence from gentics

Of course they're going to be case studies. I don't see there being a sudden upswell in the separated-at-birth-twins-who-subsequently-participate-in-IQ-studies numbers. 😄

Nevertheless, if there's enough of them you can see some potential indications.

right I'm just saying there's no sense in looking at less conclusive data

We need a study where one kid ends up in a jewish household and the other ends up in africa lol

wew

nope

im late

but the comment about the alt right being against corbyn, isnt true

I remember reading an article from the daily stormer about them supporting corbyn

via a thread on /pol/

because he was the only one who was actually anti israel

and comments like "corbyn is /ourguy/"

Could that be ironic like when they were all like Heil PewDiePie

Well Nick Gryphon (former BNP leader before they got destroyed on question time in 2011) is quite the Corbyn supporter

Just remember that the Labour Party is full of controversial figures, when your head of equalities states that young girls need to keep their mouth shut about being raped for the sake of diversity it makes you wonder

I have a weird idea which might be really good but also has potential downsides. What if every time people had to pay taxes they could allocate them to things they felt were important? It would force the government to act like a business by becoming less wasteful (because they don’t know how much money they’d get as its dynamic) and do a better job to entice people to pay for their specific service. If part of the government isn’t doing a good job then people don’t allocate money to them and they stop that program.

isn't that essentially privatization?

It’s not privately owned so not really.

Anyways I came up with the idea because of PP funding. If people are against it they should just be allowed to not pay taxes towards it and allocate them elsewhere. If it can’t survive on public funding then it will close or need to be privately funded.

You would get excessive fund allocation to feel good expenses like lgbt parade while starving tax dollars toward boring things like roads.

Yes that is a potential downside.

Lots of people are pretty bad with money.

It could also be structured that you only get to use what you pay into.

To prevent people from wasting money on wants instead of needs.

Plus planned parenthood isn't a government institution.

If planned parenthood is to exist as an institution, it should stand on it's own.

They get taxpayer money though.

Yup.

Imagine if the NRA got a taxpayer money kickback.

And I agree. Same with sports. They should be able to survive on their own without taxpayer money.

Absolutely.

Stadiums shouldn't be allowed to filch a local government of money for a stadium

Or for an Amazon headquarters

Your allocation proposal has the problem of free riders. How do you refuse to defend people in the country from foreign powers? we're either defending the country or we're not

I don't think wealthy industrialists are going to voluntarily fund the welfare state

At best you can convince them "a rising tide lifts all boats", and its hard to make that case when your country has weak borders

A sturdy boat has shiplap walls. - _-

coasta del tanic

The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.
(Psa 119:160)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4R97ukIgUA

The UK Labour party 2018.
White ppl have to pay for tickets while POCs get a free ones.
No male candidates allowed to stand for certain seats.
No private closed groups on the net if they are over a certain size.
No anonymous accounts on social media.
A do over of the largest democratic decision in UK history.
What have I missed?

Redistribution of wealth and no support for the Zionist state of Israel

@Poppy Rider are they members of EPP ? Then they voted for internet censorship

All but one of their MEPs voted in favour of the EU copyright shite.

A good little podcast from Spiked. Talking to a writer about art in the current climate. 1 hour long.
https://soundcloud.com/spikedonline/lionel-shriver-the-brendan-oneill-show

I have a brett kavanaugh question...

Since what he is accused of happened when he was a minor...

If it had been brought up at the time, tried, and convicted...

Anyone with decent representation would have their records sealed... and he was definitely connected...

would his accuser be allowed to bring it up now?

Also at a trial it'd be her word against his, he could say he tried to makea move on her, she rejected him, and that was that

sure, lets ignore those details for now. What I'm trying to figure out is, with hind sight of course...

"Would it be better to be guilty, and convicted as a minor, than innocent and falsely accused as an adult?"

(That's ignoring whether he is innocent or guilty, I'm just using his case as an example to keep from having to describe a full hypothetical.)

Yeah I agree, if he was convicted it'd probably be sealed record

I was a mischievous young hacker and I once plead guilty to a crime. Part of the deal was that I kept out of trouble for a year and a half until I turned 18 and my record would be sealed.

It's my assumption that Wal-Mart couldn't go to my employer now that I'm 40 and say, yeah you shouldn't trust him to do this white hat shit because of what he did to us as a minor.

I don't really know how this works. I grew up poor; didn't have a real lawyer. But my public defender seemed pretty confident that I should take the deal.

All I know is that with my social engineering skills, if I were bret k. and having this accusation made against me, I'd give a testimony before congress that would put the whole thing to rest in under 500 words.

Dont know the circumstances and I cant ask, but I assume if they arrested you they had good evidence

which means the plea deal for sealed record was a good idea

Bruno - from what I know, no they would not be, not unless he were accused of another act.

So, yeah, that supports what I was thinking. Brett K would have been better off to have committed the crime and got convicted as a minor than to have committed no crime and be accused of it 30+ years later. Would you agree?

I mean..yeah

but I bet..that she could have done the same thing she is doing now..even if the files were sealed and not go to jail.

so yeah, that's the part I don't know. But still, even in that case, he'd be better off if he could say "I made a mistake as a child and I paid my debt to society."

your argument would work if he would of ever been made accountable while he was a youth (assuming he did it)

this isn't the situation he is in

```So, yeah, that supports what I was thinking. Brett K would have been better off to have committed the crime and got convicted as a minor than to have committed no crime and be accused of it 30+ years later. Would you agree?```
For that you have to assume that there is a crime but it doesn't seem that way. Its just character assasination from the political class because of wrongthink of Kavenaughs part.

but the accusations seem like bullshit and to pmake a play for time, so that the vote doesn't happen before midterms.

because the Dems believe that they will win - well, they might, when they get enough illegals to vote....

She talked about it in 2012, though.

she said she talked about it.

but the files are confidential, not provable.

patient doctor confidentiality.

The Shrink can't say its a lie because of that.

So all that bitch is claiming can not be proven or falsified.

And should we allow a single woman because of political reason to be able to destroy any person??

I thought a news outlet had reviewed the therapist's notes? My understanding is that she didn't want it made public and was pressured by others to come forward after information was leaked.

If they did that and were responsible, they would have told that bitch to fuck herself and go away. Nobody would have printed it.

Was there any more said about the possible misidentification?

but since we aren't in the day of authority of the press and more about bashing right, they take what they can get, fuck the facts. Don't no matter, man.

I want to get on CNN and straight up call them NEO-NAZIs and when they try to denny it, I will say they toss the term around willy nilly so I will too.

Just get verified in twitter

That's enough to become a trustworthy source

@Stefan Payne the 2 scenarios are outlined in my claim. No assumptions or defenses needed

"Brett K would have been better off to have **committed the crime** and got convicted as a minor than to have **committed no crime** and be accused of it 30+ years later. Would you agree?"

Don't agree. Better to not have committed a crime.

Put another way: How messed up is it that in today's political climate we can make a person think "I wish I had committed sexual assault because then I'd still have my career."

I'm pretty sure no one is thinking that.

he's not yet.

And if they did commit sexual assault it's hard for me to imagine he would have gotten to where he is today.

The point seems to be less "I wish I had commited a horrendous crime" and more "It's crazy that he would be better off having done it"

if he is innocent but loses his current position as a judge... that thought has to cross his mind.

@Schedrevka exactly.

It shows how evil the dems are.

and only evil people would vote Dem

That's a poor take.

The generals in the Democrat party are likely, sure.

But part of that is the degree to which they're convinced that their path is right.

The people who vote Democrat think the same of republican voters

They look at all of the accusations and assume they're no way someone like Kavanaugh could be innocent with accusations like that

Maybe, but "we" don't do things by any means necessary like they do.

pulling sexual misconduct alligations out of your ass and maybe even rape accusations is really evil, especially because it really hurts real rape victims when people see that its always something that someone pulls out of the ass when they want something or hurt someone.

We had here a high profile rape allegation case a couple of years ago. And luckily there was a video about it...

and to be honest: The chick deserved 5 years in Jail or mental institution

I don't think democrats are evil per se, most democrats I know are the victims of manufactured consent

But how are you supposed to know they're absolutely false?

The allegations are old enough to have a mid life crisis.

Keep in mind, I'm not asking this for myself.

I don't have the argument yet, but we're dealing with a pillar issue.

Like abortion. A Christian will argue that you're murdering a child, a liberal would argue that a baby would bring undue suffering in themselves. That's a standoff. Both think the other perspective brings evil upon the other.

To believe Kavanaugh without an investigation is to not care about victims of rape. To believe Ford is to push guilt until innocence is proven.

The only things clear to me are that on surface, we have to presume good faith on both claims. Assuming one or the other is lying on base level is hypocrisy. Even Tim made his assessment after considering the circumstances.

He's still not calling Ford a lying bitch, but acknowledging the guilt of the political machine pushing the allegation

I'm tired of pushing back against the 👏 Believe 👏 Women 👏 people when the GOP are too weak to do it themselves.

They deserve to lose

There's a lot of subtlety if you want to keep your principles

Trump was right, they got tired of winning

But what needs to happen is

We need the right arguments.

That, and we need to actually MAKE the arguments.

A bunch of people tried to accuse Trump of raping them too. Trump didn't defeat them with superior arguments, he defeated them by winning regardless of them.

Brett and the Senate are too spineless to do the same

Roy Moore.

Trump didn't defeat them. He ignored them. Spoke past them

Roy Moore was a weirdo who promoted himself with pictures of himself riding around on a horse.

Effective in it's way, but that's not a solution.

Alabamans gonna Alabama.

"Roy Moore was a weirdo who promoted himself with pictures of himself riding around on a horse." So like Putin?

Works for Russians

Not so great for swing voters in southern states

Sure it is.

What good argument is there against such a vague allegation? There isn't one. The only thing you can do is ignore them and force them to drag their claims through legal courts.

The rape allegations did a LOT of damage against him.

They had their chance to take Luther Strange

Rape allegations are to be taken seriously by the police and close friends or family. Not the court of public opinion.

That ship has sailed.

Mm, well, to be honest, when I heard the horse riding pic was bad optics, that was before I knew race was a huge indicator for whether you'll vote along aprty lines

Like it or not it will happen again

Pretty much.

And again and again and again

The Left has learned how to weaponize it.

Ad infinitum

It always happens, which is why there is no argument to beat it. Your only choice is to ignore it and win on other grounds.

So maybe you have a point about the horse pic having nothing to do with his loss, it was black people making fun of the pic that left me with that impression originally.

And yes, we can keep enduring the grind, stay quiet, and keep pulling the lever

But we will eventually lose that way.

EVERYTHING will be lost

There is no way to win, it's like the Nazis argument. The only thing you have to wait until they have cried wolf enough

Then you have to watch your side like a hawk for the actual wolf as people stop caring

So just resign to being paralyzed by accusations?

It's only paralyzing if you let it

Push aside the weak

Put your foot down in favour of principled opposition to trial by mob

Here's how you win: the memes, Jack

Ask for evidence without losing your shit and coming off as a dick

Every time

Someone makes an allegation, say "I'm sorry you believe that happen, take it to the police and bring me to trail"

The problem with that is that the Mob doesn't care about if you are a dick or not.

Sure grenade

Denying "Wahmen" is enough to make you hitler.

No, but being a dick provides a veneer of justification

In the mean time you're unelectable

What other alternative do you have? Use their tactics against them?

Yes

Sure, abandon all principal, Google is a force for good, we just need take control

The Rules for Radicals

Your alternative is to fight back within the framework of your values

Conservatives only talk in hushed tones about how evil the top of this problem is.

Speak the fuck up. Roar in it's face.

Morality only exists in a vacuum. When someone steals your bike, you don't stop yourself from going onto his property and taking it back out of principle.

"What's the alternative to getting walked over? Walking over them?"
No, it's to stop lying down

When someone breaks the Geneva Conventions, you no longer have to respect it when fighting them.

No

```Like abortion. A Christian will argue that you're murdering a child, a liberal would argue that a baby would bring undue suffering in themselve```
Both are bullshit because nobody seem to give a fuck about the mother. The Trauma they suffer from loosing their child, the possibility of never beeing able to get children again....
And thus I advocate for a "Pregnancy Crysis center" in the middle and another 72h or so before you can do the abortion. Basically how it is in Germany. You have to talk to someone that is certified to do "Abortion Talks" - like the Catholic Church between you and the Abortion + a "time to think" (here its a minimum of 72h)

@Risotto and he calls the police, has you arrested for tresspassing, and now you need to convince the cops it's your bike and somehow that gives you right to violate his private property rights. Or you stick to principal and go through the correct channels.

That's absolutely not how it works, @Risotto

Anything else means you admit defeat and are now in open violent revolt

The solution to someone else breaking the rules is to ensure the rules are enforced

I see, re: Geneva Conventions

```To believe Kavanaugh without an investigation is to not care about victims of rape. To believe Ford is to push guilt until innocence is proven.```
No, there is a limit of when you can accuse someone. If it happened, you have to report it to authoriies (=Police) ASAP, not keep it to yourself and come out 40 years later, when you see the guy on TV, then it is too late and you should not be believed at all, if you didn't went to Authorities.

@Stefan Payne im representing common view points not my own.

Like imagine, you kissed someone when you were 10. 45 years later you get nominated to be the president of the united states.
And the person you kissed comes out and says how awful the kiss with you was....

And besides that, it clearly isn't too late to be believed.

You're talking in ideal scenarios

It isn't too late, it's happening. How do we FIX it?

We vote Kavenaugh into the seat of Supreme court and tell the Ford Chick to fuck herself

Get strong

We don't vote for such things.

The SJW fears the samurai

you stop freaking out and letting the left win.

Kavanaugh is basically out of our hands.

You point out to anyone who will listen how absurd the accusation is

you dig into the persons past and find out what they have to gain

Maybe nothing in the past.

It might be present or future gain.

i've heard that Ford and Kavanaughs family might have had run ins in the past, although if that was in good light or bad i think is in debate

She's a life long democrat, Killary Supporter. Yeah, totally believable...

you follow the money, you stick to your principles.

@Grenade123 I heard the same, that someone from Fords Family stood trial in front of Kavenaugh's mother.

yes, but i heard his mother ruled in their favor

For one thing

DIane Feinstein is a fucking ghoul, if the senate GOP can't shoot her and Ford down they're beyond my help.

Point out that the allegation only has to last as long as the candidacy

Here is something that might be interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_Zg2phhLI

The shitty part is

well Risotto..the GOP are terrible at their jobs.

Lets..remember.

Roy Moore was convicted in the court of public opinion when he lost.

Their "great hope" against Obama was two guys who lost to Bush.

McCain, who sold the tea party out to protect the establishment

Trump has been convicted in the court of public opinion of having tiny hands, being covered in cheeto dust, raping Ivana Trump, lusting after his own daughter, and behing Voldemort reincarnated. But he knows how to play the heel.

Not everyone can.

And it would be a damn dark world if too many did.

To win a war you must become war.

To win a war you have to actually show up.

look at the left already shifting from Ford's accusation to the new one, because they are falling apart

If the best some people can come up with is 'who DIDN'T when they were a teenager', we're fucked.

And those are the voices people are hearing.

if you try and be like the left now, then everyone on the fence will see your side as no better than the left AND the one being accused of sexual assault

I'm not saying we should.

The Mike Cernoviches have their place

with Kavenaugh, there is nothing we can do except try and fight re-election of anyone who is an elected offical fighting for the left right now.

its entirely in the hands of the establishment right now

But more crowders and shaprios are needed.

agreed

and danks

Danks a lefty

he is also in the UK

We need to make democrats dank again.

that is like the perfect slogan

As an invitation

```But more crowders and shaprios are needed.```
God, no. Especially not the Warmongering Shapiro...

I'm probably a lefty in the same sense Dankula is

You don't get me.

Shapiro can rattle off facts. Dismantle an argument on logic.

I caucused for Bernie, that's when I woke up to how fucked up the Democrats are