Message from @RyeNorth

Discord ID: 493928275756711951


2018-09-24 23:08:13 UTC  

But how are you supposed to know they're absolutely false?

2018-09-24 23:09:34 UTC  

The allegations are old enough to have a mid life crisis.

2018-09-24 23:22:03 UTC  

Keep in mind, I'm not asking this for myself.

2018-09-24 23:23:16 UTC  

I don't have the argument yet, but we're dealing with a pillar issue.

2018-09-24 23:25:11 UTC  

Like abortion. A Christian will argue that you're murdering a child, a liberal would argue that a baby would bring undue suffering in themselves. That's a standoff. Both think the other perspective brings evil upon the other.

2018-09-24 23:27:29 UTC  

To believe Kavanaugh without an investigation is to not care about victims of rape. To believe Ford is to push guilt until innocence is proven.

2018-09-24 23:29:48 UTC  

The only things clear to me are that on surface, we have to presume good faith on both claims. Assuming one or the other is lying on base level is hypocrisy. Even Tim made his assessment after considering the circumstances.

2018-09-24 23:30:42 UTC  

He's still not calling Ford a lying bitch, but acknowledging the guilt of the political machine pushing the allegation

2018-09-24 23:31:10 UTC  

I'm tired of pushing back against the 👏 Believe 👏 Women 👏 people when the GOP are too weak to do it themselves.

2018-09-24 23:31:19 UTC  

They deserve to lose

2018-09-24 23:31:21 UTC  

There's a lot of subtlety if you want to keep your principles

2018-09-24 23:31:40 UTC  

Trump was right, they got tired of winning

2018-09-24 23:32:13 UTC  

But what needs to happen is

2018-09-24 23:32:23 UTC  

We need the right arguments.

2018-09-24 23:33:23 UTC  

That, and we need to actually MAKE the arguments.

2018-09-24 23:33:30 UTC  

A bunch of people tried to accuse Trump of raping them too. Trump didn't defeat them with superior arguments, he defeated them by winning regardless of them.

2018-09-24 23:33:39 UTC  

Brett and the Senate are too spineless to do the same

2018-09-24 23:33:50 UTC  

Roy Moore.

2018-09-24 23:34:21 UTC  

Trump didn't defeat them. He ignored them. Spoke past them

2018-09-24 23:34:32 UTC  

Roy Moore was a weirdo who promoted himself with pictures of himself riding around on a horse.

2018-09-24 23:34:37 UTC  

Effective in it's way, but that's not a solution.

2018-09-24 23:35:03 UTC  

Alabamans gonna Alabama.

2018-09-24 23:35:07 UTC  

"Roy Moore was a weirdo who promoted himself with pictures of himself riding around on a horse." So like Putin?

2018-09-24 23:35:26 UTC  

Works for Russians

2018-09-24 23:35:47 UTC  

Not so great for swing voters in southern states

2018-09-24 23:37:25 UTC  

Sure it is.

2018-09-24 23:37:38 UTC  

What good argument is there against such a vague allegation? There isn't one. The only thing you can do is ignore them and force them to drag their claims through legal courts.

2018-09-24 23:37:47 UTC  

The rape allegations did a LOT of damage against him.

2018-09-24 23:38:09 UTC  

They had their chance to take Luther Strange

2018-09-24 23:38:39 UTC  

Rape allegations are to be taken seriously by the police and close friends or family. Not the court of public opinion.

2018-09-24 23:38:57 UTC  

That ship has sailed.

2018-09-24 23:39:07 UTC  

Mm, well, to be honest, when I heard the horse riding pic was bad optics, that was before I knew race was a huge indicator for whether you'll vote along aprty lines

2018-09-24 23:39:14 UTC  

Like it or not it will happen again

2018-09-24 23:39:22 UTC  

Pretty much.

2018-09-24 23:39:28 UTC  

And again and again and again

2018-09-24 23:39:32 UTC  

The Left has learned how to weaponize it.

2018-09-24 23:39:36 UTC  

Ad infinitum

2018-09-24 23:39:49 UTC  

It always happens, which is why there is no argument to beat it. Your only choice is to ignore it and win on other grounds.

2018-09-24 23:40:05 UTC  

So maybe you have a point about the horse pic having nothing to do with his loss, it was black people making fun of the pic that left me with that impression originally.

2018-09-24 23:40:10 UTC  

And yes, we can keep enduring the grind, stay quiet, and keep pulling the lever

2018-09-24 23:40:26 UTC  

But we will eventually lose that way.