IQ only measures one facet of cognitive function

cosmetic genetic engineering should be illegal? so not wanting a nose with narrow passages should be illegal?

That depends on what you're setting the low iq individual towards

anything

high IQ will always perform better

I'm just bummed we're never going to get to explore the genetic aspects of IQ

I mean stuff like going Build-a-Bear on your kid's eye color and such

because people will throw a fucking fit

AG42 just go into any group of people and say "Intelligence"

@AwesomeGuy42 the only way we could do that, is majorly unethical. Regardless of political reasons

how is it unethical?

we are talking like kids being treated like lab rats level

Mmhmm

to get true accurate results

it is not unethical

do you want to know what is unethical? my province stopping IQ tests in the schools because idiots feel bad about it

because you need to remove all aspects of environmental variable

so now you cant get the high IQ kids and remove them from the plebs schools

and their potential is destroyed

that is unethical

@Ivanfr to study the genetic component is unethical.

I dont think it is

how do you plan to study that? and remove all environmental variables?

But yeah IQ tests are primarily a measurement of pattern recognition
Which is a great skill
But it isn't a predestination for success

how do you get a genetic control subject?

stats with big groups of individuals

that live naturally

...in different environments...

Like, if we measured intelligence on a person's memory

one of the big issues is the possibility of a correlation between socioeconomic status and IQ

My 142 wouldn't mean shit.

but memory is not intelligence

because that implies a possibility of a correlation between *race* and IQ

Mmhmm

why would anyone think memory is intelligence lol

and if you find a correlation between race and IQ

Mmhmm

people will lose their fucking minds

Is like saying the CPU is now a hard disk

nonsense

@AwesomeGuy42 we already have that correlation

alright well let me rephrase

imagine

if we found a causation

There's a correlation. I'm not denying that.

It's a shame that it is prohibited to hire on the basis of IQ

that's why research into hereditary IQ will never be a thing

Observational studies can't draw cause-effect relationships Ivan
You need an experiment to do that
According to the field of statistics anyway
Hence, bringing up rhe ethics of studying that kind of thing

If you're trying to directly tie that correlation to other factors,that's where I have to disqgree

and racial IQ too

and the reason people lose their minds is that one side claims its genetics, clearly, and other side says its environment, and the people who do the tests go "....well its one of those, or both of those.... or maybe none of those.... fuck if we know, it just is what it is."

it's both

why is there even a debate

the debate is the ratio

aidanwr yes you can, not as reliable as otherwise, but u can still draw relations

and from what I can tell

it seems like it leans towards genetic

Citation needed

IQ is 90% genetic

idk if it's 90% genetic

And yet

but it's definitely more genetic than environmental

We share a genetic root

even if a person doesnt unfold the full potential they still have a high IQ

Explain this bullshit

we share a genetic root with everything on the planet

look fellas, lets compromise,

Its genetic due to long term environmental differences

No, without an experiment it actually isn't possible to establish a direct cause and effect relationship between two variables
Reliability isn't the issue
It's literally not a valid statistical claim

I didnt say direct cause

I said u can establish a relation that is very likely to be true

because the only way to know is to take people from all over the earth, and make them give birth to a lot of twins. Then one twin becomes the control, the other is the experiment. and we test all kinds of different things. robots are their parents until they are 25. and now we have a bunch of humans, who have never really had to deal with reality, we now need to deal with.

sounds good to me

I siad cause in the thing you were responding to
You can obviously draw associations from observation
Sorry for the misunderstanding there

@AwesomeGuy42 you volunteer to be one of those twins?

if we could somehow find a way to make that sort of research viable we should totally do it

they already did experiments where they test the IQ of hundreds of young kids, and then decades later the high IQ ones are succesful and the others are not

I mean, if it would benefit mankind as a whole

or

Take an african family, and supply them with the means to survive in a developed country

And see if within a few generations, the children achieve the same average results as the naitive children

and people would treat the evidence as fact

then yes

I would

the greater good argument?

y

the greater good

Jayred are you kidding me

that is welfare

and it didntwork

xD

^

^^^

fine i'll elaborate
Give them a job, and the children some proper schooling

how about dont give them anything at all

just let them thrive if they are capable

because random african family is not gonna survive if you just throw them in the center of manhattan

Ah like most immigrants had when they arrived here

those people aren't like us

they aren't like us?

as in they aren't smart? 🤔

not socially

Africans? Smart?

What two comparisons you think started this whole race IQ debate?

the ones that are capable will thrive very quickly

they will adapt overnight

>search for greater good hot fuzz gif on duck duck go
>safe search: strict
>still in the top results a chick apparently masturbating

duckduckgo knows what the greater good is.

Heres the thing

dozens of generations of poor education and backwards level of development, have rendered the majority of Africans below the rest of the world in IQ

thats what causes that race IQ correlation in the first place

wtf i love duckduckgo now

and thats not white people's fault

so if you'd take a random "average" african family, and put them in anytown america

they wouldn't survive

they'd die

just let them be in Africa

ugh

why would u put them in america in the first place

can't tell if trolling

White Man's Burden 2: Sorry for fucking up your country boogaloo

All I'm saying is, why isnt it the Africans that conquered Europe and the white people that were the slaves?

i said, that if you wanna solve the race IQ thing

Take a family from the category that scores lowest (Africans) and have them ride alongside the supposed okay group

and see if within a few generations

they catch up

if they do, its environmental

if they keep lagging behind

its race

problem solved

I dont wanna solve the IQ thing

seems backwards to me

to try to solve it

don't even take a kid from Africa, we have plenty of low IQ rednecks we should probably take children from.

oof

use those kids as the experiment

Not a fan of taking kids from parents, even if they have shitty IQ

well thats my reason for not believing its race related Grenade :P

The fact that many of the same race are absolutely retarded aswell

how bout castrating the parents

lolol

you joke

but that might actually work

if we could do conclusive testing

🤔

there are people who have seriously seggusted that

because that hopes IQ really is genetic, and not environmental.

well IQ is definitely partially genetic

one of my friends wants everyone below a certain IQ to be castrated

so we can just cut out the genetic factor altogether

you might end up just killing off your population treating a symptom.

What if I told you the DNA is smarter than all of us and it makes idiots have genious children and genious parents have idiotic children

Its genetic due to environment

1000 years of no progress is gonna leave its mark on the development compared to the top of the world

I still think it's funny how you're arguing like high IQ is inherently better

but it is

it is inherently better

It isn't

my octacore CPU is better than ur dual core

IQ = Intelligence quotient

yes it is

My dual core is dual threaded

It's better
For SOME things

inherently no

But high IQ is a good factor to determine if someone is capably smart

fite me

well rich people's kids usually end up loses all the wealth in that family after like 2 generations so i'd believe "genius" giving birth to stupid people.

its better for everything

absolutely everything

without exceptions

Higher iq individuals have a much higher risk of neuroses.

Inherited wealth is usually lost within two generations yea

@Grenade123 thats assuming you have to be smart to gain wealth 😉

Ryecast thats because they have to live around low IQ people

Aaah

they suicide more

no, it assumes you have to be a genius

Smart isnt all of it, but it is a large part of it

etc

(points at hollywood)

Without exceptions, eh?
"My IQ is 160 so I can deadlift more than you"

which is debatable if geniuses are actually all that intelligent.

i think i know some who wouldn't survive on the streets a day

you wound me sir

aidanwr yes the higher IQ person will train more efficiently and also will be more likely to train

^^^

And commmies only have problems because capitalism still exists.

communism was a mistake

High IQ was too

Stalin did nothing wrong

high IQ was not a mistake, good meme though

Saying high IQ is not inherently better is like saying being strong is not inherently better

more or less yeah

I don't even know my IQ lol the tests are too inconsistent
I don't trust them

IQ is the number 1 variable that predicts success in any field most accurately

why do high IQ people always seems to be unable to work with others of high IQ?

I have never seen that correlation

You're putting too much stock in a quotient of pattern recognition.

cuz people with high IQ tend to be dicks

false

Proof, I'm a dick 😉

I dont think so

well I'm low IQ and a dick

If everyone is the smartest person in the room they'll start to hate each other

so idk

maybe people on IQ extremes are just dicks

People who recognize patterns effectively are also more likely to dwell on the unsolvable.

being nice is overrated tbh

why would a high IQ person hate other person with a higher IQ

yeah but stupid people are usually too stupid to know it in others, so they can work

High IQ people realise the others are dicks and don't wanna work together

its low IQ people that hate high IQ people

Existentialism is a bitch.

low IQ people hate high IQ people because they're inherently superior on a purely objective level

^

get rid of all the low IQ people....then bitch about the lack of people working the jobs we also believe only low IQ people would do.

even if the high IQ people try to hide their high IQ

they will be hated

and yet, low IQ people get all the poontang

well duh

they fuck other low IQ people

thus making low IQ children

I've known that before too

and the infestation continues

yes so they're superior in procreating, compared to high IQ people

idk bout that

what does it matter if u have 20 kids if all of them are retarded and will never have any power

It's more that lower iq people are more capable of attaining happiness.

when 1 high IQ kid can have billions of dollars

and no friends

and no kids

still doesn't change that low IQ people procreate better

hahahah

because kids cost lots of money

flies procreate better than people

and really are not a good investment

does that somehow make them superior on some level

first of all they only procreate better because of redistribution of wealth

yes

I know it's fiction,but Flowers for Algernon was a good analysis of the difference between IQ levels.

lmao

flies are pests

Flies can survive on shit

White people lost that ability

take welfare away from those ppl and lets see how long it takes for most of the kids to die

are you suggesting black people can survive on shit

lmao

have you seen africa?

are you suggesting black people are the equivalent of flies

yes

indeed they are

<:OMEGALUL:407048254447026176>

I have seen flies on black ppl

I have seen flies on poop

I might, considering in all those documentaries, those black children have flies all over them 🤔

coincidence?

I dont think so

Flies lay eggs in dead bodies

so do black people

oh

😏

*Wol is just shitposting now*

ebin