one of the big issues is the possibility of a correlation between socioeconomic status and IQ

My 142 wouldn't mean shit.

but memory is not intelligence

because that implies a possibility of a correlation between *race* and IQ

Mmhmm

why would anyone think memory is intelligence lol

and if you find a correlation between race and IQ

Mmhmm

people will lose their fucking minds

Is like saying the CPU is now a hard disk

nonsense

@AwesomeGuy42 we already have that correlation

alright well let me rephrase

imagine

if we found a causation

There's a correlation. I'm not denying that.

It's a shame that it is prohibited to hire on the basis of IQ

that's why research into hereditary IQ will never be a thing

Observational studies can't draw cause-effect relationships Ivan
You need an experiment to do that
According to the field of statistics anyway
Hence, bringing up rhe ethics of studying that kind of thing

If you're trying to directly tie that correlation to other factors,that's where I have to disqgree

and racial IQ too

and the reason people lose their minds is that one side claims its genetics, clearly, and other side says its environment, and the people who do the tests go "....well its one of those, or both of those.... or maybe none of those.... fuck if we know, it just is what it is."

it's both

why is there even a debate

the debate is the ratio

aidanwr yes you can, not as reliable as otherwise, but u can still draw relations

and from what I can tell

it seems like it leans towards genetic

Citation needed

IQ is 90% genetic

idk if it's 90% genetic

And yet

but it's definitely more genetic than environmental

We share a genetic root

even if a person doesnt unfold the full potential they still have a high IQ

Explain this bullshit

we share a genetic root with everything on the planet

look fellas, lets compromise,

Its genetic due to long term environmental differences

No, without an experiment it actually isn't possible to establish a direct cause and effect relationship between two variables
Reliability isn't the issue
It's literally not a valid statistical claim

I didnt say direct cause

I said u can establish a relation that is very likely to be true