Observational studies can't draw cause-effect relationships Ivan
You need an experiment to do that
According to the field of statistics anyway
Hence, bringing up rhe ethics of studying that kind of thing

If you're trying to directly tie that correlation to other factors,that's where I have to disqgree

and racial IQ too

and the reason people lose their minds is that one side claims its genetics, clearly, and other side says its environment, and the people who do the tests go "....well its one of those, or both of those.... or maybe none of those.... fuck if we know, it just is what it is."

it's both

why is there even a debate

the debate is the ratio

aidanwr yes you can, not as reliable as otherwise, but u can still draw relations

and from what I can tell

it seems like it leans towards genetic

Citation needed

IQ is 90% genetic

idk if it's 90% genetic

And yet

but it's definitely more genetic than environmental

We share a genetic root

even if a person doesnt unfold the full potential they still have a high IQ

Explain this bullshit

we share a genetic root with everything on the planet

look fellas, lets compromise,

Its genetic due to long term environmental differences

No, without an experiment it actually isn't possible to establish a direct cause and effect relationship between two variables
Reliability isn't the issue
It's literally not a valid statistical claim

I didnt say direct cause

I said u can establish a relation that is very likely to be true

because the only way to know is to take people from all over the earth, and make them give birth to a lot of twins. Then one twin becomes the control, the other is the experiment. and we test all kinds of different things. robots are their parents until they are 25. and now we have a bunch of humans, who have never really had to deal with reality, we now need to deal with.

sounds good to me

I siad cause in the thing you were responding to
You can obviously draw associations from observation
Sorry for the misunderstanding there

@AwesomeGuy42 you volunteer to be one of those twins?

if we could somehow find a way to make that sort of research viable we should totally do it

they already did experiments where they test the IQ of hundreds of young kids, and then decades later the high IQ ones are succesful and the others are not

I mean, if it would benefit mankind as a whole

or

Take an african family, and supply them with the means to survive in a developed country

And see if within a few generations, the children achieve the same average results as the naitive children

and people would treat the evidence as fact

then yes

I would

the greater good argument?

y

the greater good

Jayred are you kidding me

that is welfare

and it didntwork

xD