Message from @Ivanfr
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Is like saying the CPU is now a hard disk
nonsense
@AwesomeGuy42 we already have that correlation
alright well let me rephrase
imagine
if we found a causation
There's a correlation. I'm not denying that.
It's a shame that it is prohibited to hire on the basis of IQ
that's why research into hereditary IQ will never be a thing
Observational studies can't draw cause-effect relationships Ivan
You need an experiment to do that
According to the field of statistics anyway
Hence, bringing up rhe ethics of studying that kind of thing
If you're trying to directly tie that correlation to other factors,that's where I have to disqgree
and racial IQ too
and the reason people lose their minds is that one side claims its genetics, clearly, and other side says its environment, and the people who do the tests go "....well its one of those, or both of those.... or maybe none of those.... fuck if we know, it just is what it is."
it's both
why is there even a debate
the debate is the ratio
aidanwr yes you can, not as reliable as otherwise, but u can still draw relations
and from what I can tell
it seems like it leans towards genetic
Citation needed
idk if it's 90% genetic
And yet
but it's definitely more genetic than environmental
We share a genetic root
even if a person doesnt unfold the full potential they still have a high IQ
Explain this bullshit
we share a genetic root with everything on the planet
look fellas, lets compromise,
Its genetic due to long term environmental differences
No, without an experiment it actually isn't possible to establish a direct cause and effect relationship between two variables
Reliability isn't the issue
It's literally not a valid statistical claim
I didnt say direct cause
I said u can establish a relation that is very likely to be true
because the only way to know is to take people from all over the earth, and make them give birth to a lot of twins. Then one twin becomes the control, the other is the experiment. and we test all kinds of different things. robots are their parents until they are 25. and now we have a bunch of humans, who have never really had to deal with reality, we now need to deal with.
sounds good to me
I siad cause in the thing you were responding to
You can obviously draw associations from observation
Sorry for the misunderstanding there
@AwesomeGuy42 you volunteer to be one of those twins?
if we could somehow find a way to make that sort of research viable we should totally do it
they already did experiments where they test the IQ of hundreds of young kids, and then decades later the high IQ ones are succesful and the others are not
I mean, if it would benefit mankind as a whole
or
Take an african family, and supply them with the means to survive in a developed country
And see if within a few generations, the children achieve the same average results as the naitive children
and people would treat the evidence as fact