If you don't see the importance of race is the equation, you're wilfully deluding yourself.

Here's my plight, and I ask that you let me get just a little conspiratorial for a second.

This is WHY every statistical organisation takes race so seriously as a determinant of voting patterns.

Not saying they are not important. Id just like to see why they vote X.

^ ^ ^ always ask why.

Do you really think the brain after tens of thousands of years of development did not change yet the length of our spinal cord, muscle mass, brain size, predisposition for twinning and facial features did?

If you think race is the only important statistic, you are deluding yourself.

It's for chiefly economic reasons. You can look it up yourself.

It makes sense that they are doing it for their group.

I never said it was. However, it is far more predictive than poverty or any statistic YOU can find.

I mean, there are people who vote something they disagree with cause they fear being left out.

Like being a repub in Cali

More importantly, you should consider how your enemies would use the same weapon you use.

I.E. racial monoliths

in fact

those very monoliths are probably what cement your own beliefs

Thing is we wont know that until we get mind reading tech

I wouldnt trust anyone with that tech now that I think about it...

But those very monoliths are what push the polarization.

Racial monoliths already exist. It's not people like me or ensure these polarisations proceed, it's natural human ingroup preference.

Humans are tribal by nature.

Race is not a social construct. I say this to clarify the next statement

Racial monoliths are a social construct

The very fact that we have black people who openly support Trump, and are called 'race traitors' for it

Wrong. If races have different capacities to succeed in a 21st century, service-based, highly industrialised economy they will naturally gravitate to the most effective means for their prosperity as a group.

In the case of blacks, it's primarily welfare.

What if/when we reach the point where individualism becomes an ideal, and may simply not be feasable for awhile, if we haven't already gotten there? I mean, I don't like identitarian politics, but if we're gonna have them, may as well have them for everyone. Whether or not the ideal is individualism, what if there are simply too many collectives at play?

You're correct that they gravitate towards welfare.

I think it's just to be expected that they work for their group interests. Think about it what animal that only work's for it's self would survive?

Blacks vote Democratic because that's who the Dems pander to. Same reason Repubs have been white. I find this says more about the parties than the people voting. And why I hate identity politics.

And Welfare has destroyed the nuclear family

leading to further poverty, crime, and violence.

Dems ruined it in a way.

^ ^ ^

You can play 'ideology over race' all you want. The only consequence will be an increasingly moderate GOP, a bankrupt public finance system and all of your rights extinguished.

I will not argue that the welfare state being a huge contributor. This much is obvious.

I don't care about a moderate GOP. I care more about all of the leftists jumping ship.

Because more and more actually see what's going on

Also, what are you proposing with these stats? I mean, alot of blacks live in poorer areas, the welfare ghettos or as I like to call it, vote plantations.

Id say, let the repubs in to fix it.

Why don't you look up the stats yourself? Look up how rich black people vote.

*They* have to let the Republicans in, that's the problem.

I don't understand how people can claim to be standing up for rights by sitting on a platform of stripping people's rights.

I already demonstrated also that even in spite of income and wealth increase, middle class blacks still commit more crime than poor whites

I don't need to. I know.

Rich black people have more to lose, and more to fear from a red state.

@Grenade123 Again you're strawmanning. I'm simply arguing about the relevance of race from a statistical standpoint.

The mere existance of the alt-right is the boogeyman the Left need to wrest power for now.

Well I can say I am glad I didnt take sociology

You can lie with statistics and statistics lie.

I've debated both sides

I know the (emotion based) arguments the left use.

I mean... Its usually the leftists that are anoyying and preachy so.

I am not seeing it here.

@Grenade123 So you now choose you ignore the statistics in favour of your personal biases. This is Pew data, not a conservative organisation.

It's all census and Pew.

What I am asking is what is Lex proposing with this

Cause you cant debate facts.

Any data can still be cherrypicked.

I mean I had issue with Aussie posting random stuff but not proposing his view or perspective on it.

The point is that you'll lose all your rights and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll ride the myth of the based black man until you've lost everything you once enjoyed.

And more with leftists I see in almost every channel Ive been ot

I can show you how many black kids get shot by cops

America is over and demographics are the culprit.

Not at all, just pointing out that cherry picking data and trying to imply causation for correlation is something you can do with statistics. Dems do it all the time.

but without the percentage of the population in the united states, and the crime rates, you don't get the full picture.

My God, are all these statistics COMPLETELY unrelated to race? I showed you whites, Hispanics, Asians and Blacks.

And without a little bit of understanding about factors that increase crime statistics

All of which exhibit different statistical profiles, the latter three of which favour overwhelmingly increased govt. control.

And have ALWAYS done so, with very few exceptions.

I just see a bunch of shit posted in shitposting

I've given insight as to possible causal factors and how they're incorrect as I've already accounted for the different potential factors.

You're expecting us to read and analyze every damned chart you drop?

Problem I see here, is you saying that all blacks are not based.

I dont want to fall into the trap of saying all of any demographic is bad

Also, I see your point

No, I never said some weren't. But they're negligible. You'll be trying to flip blacks red until you've lost all of your rights and America is entirely different.

Just say you hate affirmative action, welfare states, sanctuary cities.

And I agree with those.

Well, agree that I dont like them

But you are proposing ignoring those demographics or something?

I understand the statistical load is overwhelming but keep an open mind. I was once the naive Shapiro conservative who believed that race was simply the colour of one's skin and had no further investigative value.

Nah, I am wondering what you plan to do about it.

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't differences between races. I think the only thing being debated is how much of a part if plays and why.

It's likely irreversible.

And then you fell for a logical loop that you can't break out of.

Your economic system is based on unrefundable treasury bonds and debt on which you will inevitably default.

I don't see an out for you folks.

I definitely agree there.

I mean, I like to be optimistic about anything

There will come a point, if we haven't gotten there already, where we'll be in so much debt we won't even be able to afford to pay the interest.

The United States is owed more money than the deficit.

Amd the world economy will collapse

And when will we start actually collecting on those debts?

international finance is a clusterfuck.

Most likely, never.

At this point international debt is the financial equivalent of a nuke in every nation

Yeah.

in a sense, we're in relative peace due to that.

Anyway - if any of you folks desire a more careful examination of the facts then talk to me in private. It's difficult to answer from 5 different angles from five different people. I've studied this for a while and have a huge breadth of statistics at my finger tips. Anyway, good evening, folks.