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2018-07-17 08:19:49 UTC

They're just local politicians doing something rather silly

2018-07-17 08:20:05 UTC

doesn't city governments get tax money as their funding?

2018-07-17 08:20:29 UTC

Yep

2018-07-17 08:20:40 UTC

Sort of, the exact system depends on country

2018-07-17 08:20:46 UTC

They often make their money from local taxes

2018-07-17 08:20:56 UTC

thats still taxpayer money?

2018-07-17 08:20:57 UTC

They also had new feminist period art installed in subway stations
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/ny-konst-i-tunnelbanan

2018-07-17 08:21:04 UTC

Well yeah

2018-07-17 08:21:25 UTC

But the point here is that you cant really say 'The federal government is wasting money'

2018-07-17 08:21:32 UTC

Better example. Just look at the administration of Universities.

2018-07-17 08:21:42 UTC

Pretend tuition is taxes.

2018-07-17 08:22:06 UTC

Not quite a whole state, but I think it's what they idealize.

2018-07-17 08:22:17 UTC

@Deleted User Why do they have jam coming from their undies wtf

2018-07-17 08:22:25 UTC

suppose to go on your toast

2018-07-17 08:22:39 UTC

Government officials in Sweden fund their parties with tax money too
http://www.bt.se/nyheter/forsakringskassan-stallde-in-fest-skattebetalarna-nota-36-000-kronor/

2018-07-17 08:23:09 UTC

pls answer question

2018-07-17 08:23:48 UTC

There are places in the US that do this. It always ends up in the hands of incumbents somehow.

2018-07-17 08:24:29 UTC

@Franken the answer is in the post.

2018-07-17 08:24:54 UTC

It's a fucked up government

2018-07-17 08:25:05 UTC

But it hasn't gone full social justice yet

2018-07-17 08:25:23 UTC

Canada is pretty close too

2018-07-17 08:25:51 UTC

I dunno about that.

2018-07-17 08:26:04 UTC

Trudeau can be a goon, but overall i really dont feel our government has gone SJW.

2018-07-17 08:28:18 UTC

That's why I said *close*

2018-07-17 08:28:48 UTC

I dont really think we're close either

2018-07-17 08:28:49 UTC

To be clear

2018-07-17 08:29:38 UTC

@pratel but why jam

2018-07-17 08:29:58 UTC

Canada will probably become more right wing next election.

2018-07-17 08:30:35 UTC

I kinda hope not. Im really not a fan of SJW like shit, and some of Trudeaus antics, but im even less of a fan of the conservative party here.

2018-07-17 08:30:38 UTC

I got this weird feeling a reaction to Trudeau is building behind the scenes.

Trudeau is a Social Justice PM and he's moved policy in that direction. ("feminist budgets" and things like denying funding to pro-life groups for summer programs being key examples)

But it's being met with growing resistance.

2018-07-17 08:30:56 UTC

He has, but as far as ive seen its almost all been very token

2018-07-17 08:31:32 UTC

Hence why im still just very meh on him.

2018-07-17 08:31:36 UTC

Man i miss Jack Layton

2018-07-17 08:32:14 UTC

NDP is electing shitty leaders, Conservatives are pretty shit right now, and the liberals are Trudeau

2018-07-17 08:32:22 UTC

I just find myself really not being a fan of anybody

2018-07-17 08:32:37 UTC

It's a less extreme version of how i feel about US politics

2018-07-17 08:33:10 UTC

I think that's the new normal for everybody at some level.

2018-07-17 08:33:26 UTC

Furthermore, coalitions shift.

2018-07-17 08:33:41 UTC

In the US we are in the middle of a very big shift right now.

2018-07-17 08:34:03 UTC

Once the Democrats come to power and fracture, the shift will be complete.

2018-07-17 08:34:16 UTC

They can't hold their current divisions entirely.

2018-07-17 08:34:35 UTC

Or if they do, it would be one **** of an act. Social Justice being the likely glue.

2018-07-17 08:35:04 UTC

In which social justice would only get more extreme.

2018-07-17 08:35:23 UTC

The only party we have that is consistently against increasing surveilence powers/compromising what 'free speech' rights we have, is the NDP, but they've seemingly been taken in by the SJW shit thats going around, despite having been mostly above it historically (At least in terms of race/gender/etc)
Though probably not as bad as the liberals with Trudeau

2018-07-17 08:35:44 UTC

Liberals have seemed really willing to compromise those rights along with the Conservatives

2018-07-17 08:36:50 UTC

Before 2013, I'd have thought that would be the Democrats. Then social justice happened. And now look where things are. The ACLU is backing away from free speech and there's fake news bills being passed around California.

2018-07-17 08:37:08 UTC

Who knows anymore.

2018-07-17 08:37:09 UTC

See

2018-07-17 08:37:19 UTC

Our analogs for US parties are as follows

2018-07-17 08:37:28 UTC

Conservatives are a more mild version of republicans

2018-07-17 08:37:35 UTC

Liberals are quite similar to democrats

2018-07-17 08:37:44 UTC

NDP is the further left leaning party

2018-07-17 08:37:50 UTC

They're more.... old school though?

2018-07-17 08:38:04 UTC

Or at least used to be.

2018-07-17 08:38:14 UTC

Hence my comment about Jack Layton, which was their leader until 2011

2018-07-17 08:38:24 UTC

Old school meaning old school socialist?

2018-07-17 08:39:01 UTC

Kind yeah. NDP was formerly a outright Socialist party, but toned that down somewhat in the late 90's/early 2000's

2018-07-17 08:39:38 UTC

Not sure how to explain it really

2018-07-17 08:39:58 UTC

Comparing them to people like Bernie in the US i think actually doesnt work that well

2018-07-17 08:40:16 UTC

Do they map well to Cortez?

2018-07-17 08:40:22 UTC

No, not really.

2018-07-17 08:40:36 UTC

Ok. try this.

2018-07-17 08:40:49 UTC

Chavez? Castro? ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-07-17 08:41:29 UTC

No :p

2018-07-17 08:41:35 UTC

Guevera?

2018-07-17 08:41:47 UTC

No.

2018-07-17 08:41:54 UTC

This was their platform last election

2018-07-17 08:42:04 UTC

If you read carefully, they mention repealling Bill C-51

2018-07-17 08:42:10 UTC

The 'anti terrorism' bill

2018-07-17 08:42:20 UTC

Which is a massive part of why i liked them that election

2018-07-17 08:42:28 UTC

They were the only party interested in doing that.

2018-07-17 08:42:42 UTC

Stance on:
1) Minimum Wage.
2) Rent control
3) Nationalization of industries
4) Firearms
5) vices (alcohol, weed, violent media)
6) Social Justice (as defined by feminism and racial politics)
7) Preferred taxes

2018-07-17 08:43:03 UTC

The platform is useful, but it seems pretty par for the course for Canada from what I can tell.

2018-07-17 08:43:23 UTC

damnit i misread that last part "Crack down on Senate expenses and LOBSTER Conflict, interest laws" ๐Ÿ˜ฆ i was so excited

2018-07-17 08:43:57 UTC

Oh, two others I forgot, preferred subsidies and defense spending.

2018-07-17 08:48:44 UTC

1) Dont think they had one. But they're a party that would like a relatively high one.
2) Never mentioned really. Not that ive seen. That kinda goes for all parties in the 2015 election. More of a local issue?
3) NDP is pro-nationalization for industries Canada has tradtionally had nationalized (Hydro is the big thing. Conservatives moved to privatize, NDP strongly dislikes this.)
4) No comment. Canadians are generally quite happy with their firearms laws, though im sure some gun people would prefer them loosened. It's not a big debate here, and wasnt talked about from what i saw.
5) Fine with vices, probably would consider legalizing marijuana like Trudeau is doing, but didnt run on it.
6) Talk about it alot less then Liberals, but some of what the individual party members have said, especially in 2017/2018 makes me feel bleh. I think they'd be significantly more mild about it then liberals though, more worried about class like traditional leftist politics, then race/femininism
7) Liberals have a habit of increasing spending, without compensating enough with revenue. NDP would like to both increase spending and increase taxes. (IIRC they wanted to increase spending by a similar amount to liberals, but actually talked about raising taxes to pay for it. Liberals kinda avoided talking about how they would pay)

2018-07-17 08:49:34 UTC

Our parties, as of the 2015 election kind of end up
Conservatives : Right
Liberals : Centre Left
NDP : Left

2018-07-17 08:49:49 UTC

Traditionally the liberals have been centrist or centre right though.

2018-07-17 08:50:04 UTC

And they tend to vote with conservatives more often then NDP

2018-07-17 08:51:10 UTC

Sounds like Sanders to me.

On the tax question, what I really meant was if given the choice between say an excise tax or an income tax, which would they choose.

The flier indicated a desire to cut the business tax for 'small' businesses, which seemed kinda odd for a traditional left party.

2018-07-17 08:51:19 UTC

excise tax?

2018-07-17 08:51:31 UTC

Alcohol.

2018-07-17 08:51:33 UTC

Oh yeah, they did run on that.

2018-07-17 08:51:37 UTC

Cigarettes.

2018-07-17 08:51:39 UTC

Stuff like that.

2018-07-17 08:51:44 UTC

Carbon.

2018-07-17 08:51:52 UTC

They wouldnt really do that. Again more of a local thing here?
Carbon tax they would do though.

2018-07-17 08:51:57 UTC

Trudeau is trying as well

2018-07-17 08:52:02 UTC

Interestingly

2018-07-17 08:52:06 UTC

The Local NDP in Alberta

2018-07-17 08:52:08 UTC

(Oil sands)

2018-07-17 08:52:16 UTC

Is fighting strongly against the carbon tax.

2018-07-17 08:52:32 UTC

Rachel Notely is the local NDP leader in Alberta

2018-07-17 08:52:44 UTC

Notably Alberta consistently voted conservative before her

2018-07-17 08:52:48 UTC

But she's quite popular now

2018-07-17 08:53:17 UTC

And yes, like i was trying to get at before, more class focused, then race/feminism focused.

2018-07-17 08:53:31 UTC

Which is much like sanders

2018-07-17 08:53:50 UTC

Though i havent seen them call for taxing the rich to pay for university or some such

2018-07-17 08:54:02 UTC

So less extreme then sanders in some ways with that.

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