Message from @pratel

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2018-07-17 08:34:35 UTC  

Or if they do, it would be one **** of an act. Social Justice being the likely glue.

2018-07-17 08:35:04 UTC  

In which social justice would only get more extreme.

2018-07-17 08:35:23 UTC  

The only party we have that is consistently against increasing surveilence powers/compromising what 'free speech' rights we have, is the NDP, but they've seemingly been taken in by the SJW shit thats going around, despite having been mostly above it historically (At least in terms of race/gender/etc)
Though probably not as bad as the liberals with Trudeau

2018-07-17 08:35:44 UTC  

Liberals have seemed really willing to compromise those rights along with the Conservatives

2018-07-17 08:36:50 UTC  

Before 2013, I'd have thought that would be the Democrats. Then social justice happened. And now look where things are. The ACLU is backing away from free speech and there's fake news bills being passed around California.

2018-07-17 08:37:08 UTC  

Who knows anymore.

2018-07-17 08:37:09 UTC  

See

2018-07-17 08:37:19 UTC  

Our analogs for US parties are as follows

2018-07-17 08:37:28 UTC  

Conservatives are a more mild version of republicans

2018-07-17 08:37:35 UTC  

Liberals are quite similar to democrats

2018-07-17 08:37:44 UTC  

NDP is the further left leaning party

2018-07-17 08:37:50 UTC  

They're more.... old school though?

2018-07-17 08:38:04 UTC  

Or at least used to be.

2018-07-17 08:38:14 UTC  

Hence my comment about Jack Layton, which was their leader until 2011

2018-07-17 08:38:24 UTC  

Old school meaning old school socialist?

2018-07-17 08:39:01 UTC  

Kind yeah. NDP was formerly a outright Socialist party, but toned that down somewhat in the late 90's/early 2000's

2018-07-17 08:39:38 UTC  

Not sure how to explain it really

2018-07-17 08:39:58 UTC  

Comparing them to people like Bernie in the US i think actually doesnt work that well

2018-07-17 08:40:16 UTC  

Do they map well to Cortez?

2018-07-17 08:40:22 UTC  

No, not really.

2018-07-17 08:40:36 UTC  

Ok. try this.

2018-07-17 08:40:49 UTC  

Chavez? Castro? 😄

2018-07-17 08:41:29 UTC  

No :p

2018-07-17 08:41:35 UTC  

Guevera?

2018-07-17 08:41:47 UTC  

No.

2018-07-17 08:41:54 UTC  

This was their platform last election

2018-07-17 08:42:04 UTC  

If you read carefully, they mention repealling Bill C-51

2018-07-17 08:42:10 UTC  

The 'anti terrorism' bill

2018-07-17 08:42:20 UTC  

Which is a massive part of why i liked them that election

2018-07-17 08:42:28 UTC  

They were the only party interested in doing that.

2018-07-17 08:42:42 UTC  

Stance on:
1) Minimum Wage.
2) Rent control
3) Nationalization of industries
4) Firearms
5) vices (alcohol, weed, violent media)
6) Social Justice (as defined by feminism and racial politics)
7) Preferred taxes

2018-07-17 08:43:03 UTC  

The platform is useful, but it seems pretty par for the course for Canada from what I can tell.

2018-07-17 08:43:23 UTC  

damnit i misread that last part "Crack down on Senate expenses and LOBSTER Conflict, interest laws" 😦 i was so excited

2018-07-17 08:43:57 UTC  

Oh, two others I forgot, preferred subsidies and defense spending.

2018-07-17 08:48:44 UTC  

1) Dont think they had one. But they're a party that would like a relatively high one.
2) Never mentioned really. Not that ive seen. That kinda goes for all parties in the 2015 election. More of a local issue?
3) NDP is pro-nationalization for industries Canada has tradtionally had nationalized (Hydro is the big thing. Conservatives moved to privatize, NDP strongly dislikes this.)
4) No comment. Canadians are generally quite happy with their firearms laws, though im sure some gun people would prefer them loosened. It's not a big debate here, and wasnt talked about from what i saw.
5) Fine with vices, probably would consider legalizing marijuana like Trudeau is doing, but didnt run on it.
6) Talk about it alot less then Liberals, but some of what the individual party members have said, especially in 2017/2018 makes me feel bleh. I think they'd be significantly more mild about it then liberals though, more worried about class like traditional leftist politics, then race/femininism
7) Liberals have a habit of increasing spending, without compensating enough with revenue. NDP would like to both increase spending and increase taxes. (IIRC they wanted to increase spending by a similar amount to liberals, but actually talked about raising taxes to pay for it. Liberals kinda avoided talking about how they would pay)

2018-07-17 08:49:34 UTC  

Our parties, as of the 2015 election kind of end up
Conservatives : Right
Liberals : Centre Left
NDP : Left

2018-07-17 08:49:49 UTC  

Traditionally the liberals have been centrist or centre right though.

2018-07-17 08:50:04 UTC  

And they tend to vote with conservatives more often then NDP

2018-07-17 08:51:10 UTC  

Sounds like Sanders to me.

On the tax question, what I really meant was if given the choice between say an excise tax or an income tax, which would they choose.

The flier indicated a desire to cut the business tax for 'small' businesses, which seemed kinda odd for a traditional left party.

2018-07-17 08:51:19 UTC  

excise tax?