Message from @Scarlet
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The only party we have that is consistently against increasing surveilence powers/compromising what 'free speech' rights we have, is the NDP, but they've seemingly been taken in by the SJW shit thats going around, despite having been mostly above it historically (At least in terms of race/gender/etc)
Though probably not as bad as the liberals with Trudeau
Liberals have seemed really willing to compromise those rights along with the Conservatives
Before 2013, I'd have thought that would be the Democrats. Then social justice happened. And now look where things are. The ACLU is backing away from free speech and there's fake news bills being passed around California.
Who knows anymore.
See
Our analogs for US parties are as follows
Conservatives are a more mild version of republicans
Liberals are quite similar to democrats
NDP is the further left leaning party
They're more.... old school though?
Or at least used to be.
Hence my comment about Jack Layton, which was their leader until 2011
Old school meaning old school socialist?
Kind yeah. NDP was formerly a outright Socialist party, but toned that down somewhat in the late 90's/early 2000's
Not sure how to explain it really
Comparing them to people like Bernie in the US i think actually doesnt work that well
Do they map well to Cortez?
No, not really.
Ok. try this.
Chavez? Castro? 😄
Guevera?
No.
This was their platform last election
If you read carefully, they mention repealling Bill C-51
The 'anti terrorism' bill
Which is a massive part of why i liked them that election
They were the only party interested in doing that.
Stance on:
1) Minimum Wage.
2) Rent control
3) Nationalization of industries
4) Firearms
5) vices (alcohol, weed, violent media)
6) Social Justice (as defined by feminism and racial politics)
7) Preferred taxes
The platform is useful, but it seems pretty par for the course for Canada from what I can tell.
damnit i misread that last part "Crack down on Senate expenses and LOBSTER Conflict, interest laws" 😦 i was so excited
Oh, two others I forgot, preferred subsidies and defense spending.
1) Dont think they had one. But they're a party that would like a relatively high one.
2) Never mentioned really. Not that ive seen. That kinda goes for all parties in the 2015 election. More of a local issue?
3) NDP is pro-nationalization for industries Canada has tradtionally had nationalized (Hydro is the big thing. Conservatives moved to privatize, NDP strongly dislikes this.)
4) No comment. Canadians are generally quite happy with their firearms laws, though im sure some gun people would prefer them loosened. It's not a big debate here, and wasnt talked about from what i saw.
5) Fine with vices, probably would consider legalizing marijuana like Trudeau is doing, but didnt run on it.
6) Talk about it alot less then Liberals, but some of what the individual party members have said, especially in 2017/2018 makes me feel bleh. I think they'd be significantly more mild about it then liberals though, more worried about class like traditional leftist politics, then race/femininism
7) Liberals have a habit of increasing spending, without compensating enough with revenue. NDP would like to both increase spending and increase taxes. (IIRC they wanted to increase spending by a similar amount to liberals, but actually talked about raising taxes to pay for it. Liberals kinda avoided talking about how they would pay)
Our parties, as of the 2015 election kind of end up
Conservatives : Right
Liberals : Centre Left
NDP : Left
Traditionally the liberals have been centrist or centre right though.
And they tend to vote with conservatives more often then NDP
Sounds like Sanders to me.
On the tax question, what I really meant was if given the choice between say an excise tax or an income tax, which would they choose.
The flier indicated a desire to cut the business tax for 'small' businesses, which seemed kinda odd for a traditional left party.
excise tax?
Alcohol.
Oh yeah, they did run on that.