And Faye's like "You BELIEVE that?"

"I'm trying to, real hard."

I mean. That's supposed to make it sound like it's up in the air. But it's been my experience that girls find it easier to lie.

Cowboy bebop is best anime

@Scribblehatch naaah

It's not easy for girls to lie

Aw phooey to you I say.

Phooey and nertz.

Pardon my language.

It's easy for guys to believe girls

Partly cos....you know

Its easier to trust a woman

Ye

Men react to direct threat

Like a gun or a knife better

I believe this can be summed up by a song

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj5pXytIY_4>

Bet you weren't expecting that one!!

I think men are slightly *more likely* to form really strong bonds of loyalty, or to take up the responsibility of living honorably, but those relationships, and types of men definitely aren't the average men

I think only 1 in so many individuals has to be honorable. But it's a virus once seen in action

"Hey this is working rather well." And as a pattern seeking species we sorta mimic it.

Maybe in the past that was closer to the average when more men were forced into situations where they had to be that way

But it's more likely gonna be a man who has that innate magnetism to honor.

I believe no one is honorable

By default

No, ever

Aw bullsugar!

That's a load of hooey.

It only matters on the situation

Poppycock.

Or if they're indoctrinated or really stupid

You think everyone would take advantage of a situation at the expense of others if they knew they wouldn't be held accountable? I've heard a lot of people say that, and it certainly shows how they function

The golden rule has been come up with by every civilization.

@Schedrevka depends

"Don't do a thing you can imagine being totally fucking lame if the same thing happened to you"

I'm paraphrasing.

On what the incentive is

Or

So you're saying 'everyone has a price'?

If the individual is stupid/indoctrinated

Point I think is that honor is something that is instilled in, not something of free will

And that someone of free will would never attempt something considered honorable.

You really don't think some people choose purely to act honorably by their own choices without any incentives?

I mean, yeah when society tells you 'being honorable is good' it's going to be more likely to persuade you towards that path, but you still make your own choice.

I mean in war, the incentive is a medal and poshumous honor

In this case true honor is sacrifice for nothing.

So that means no one ever chooses to do good at their own expense with nothing(not even feeling good about themselves) in return?

Which is the issue here. "hurr durr, you didnt save those kids cause you good, you only wanted the medal"

"youre not honorable for taking the bullet, you probably wanted a reward"

Maybe I'm just too tired, but I'm not really sure what you're arguing here

And people claim you didnt do it for good, but rather the potential reward.

Its a rant really.

People do good, but then others complain about the intent.

Can't stand that. Just another case of tall poppy syndrome

But different cultures definitely don't view honor the same. Like in China cheating isn't considered a bad thing. If you can cheat in some way and get away with it that's just you being 'smart'.

More like they dont consider cheating dishonorable as opposed to it being considered honorable to cheat and get away with it

I think honor is just sticking to your stated principles no matter what.

The principles can vary.

Honor as a concept is definitely a social construct, but I'd say that there's a specific idea of 'western honor' that people in the west tend to be able to agree upon as what honor is.

Like some people's principals wouldn't be considered honorable at all regardless of how well they stick to them.

Or people assume theres some ulterior motive

Imagine having every opportunity to skipping out on your word.

But just doing so anyway, because you gave your word.

IE Pegasus giving back Yugi's grandfather's soul. u:

Thats why just about anyone who deals with the chinese in buisness will have horror stories

I can't remember the term, but Japan has a word for a favor done for others in secret. Some people would call that being stupid.

I'd say that makes the favor more endearing.

Like it clearly wasn't virtue signalling.

Agreed

I'd say that dovetails into "Don't brag, or I can't brag FOR you."

It's sadly one of those scenarios where if everyone was that way everyone would end up the better for it, but one person saying 'I don't need to do that to reap the benefits' can come along, and then so can everyone else. Not that that should be a deterrence for trying to make the world a better place

Everyone has good stories about Rodney Dangerfield.

Most of the nice things he did for people weren't public in the least.

That's what people really liked about em.

I thought people liked him for how his eyes bulged

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCaDKtFsQQg>

@Schedrevka nah, the reward for something doesn't have to be material

Doesn't have to be a medal, or a badge

It can be for respect, for love

I never meant to claim that, I was trying to understand what someone else was saying

advancing in the social hierarchy

I hate when people say that others only do good because they have something to gain from it whether something observable or not

Well you may hate it

But unfortunately, it's true

@Schedrevka the definition of good can be anything

Survival is not good or bad

Its either that the person has something to gain

Or that the person is indoctrinated into an ideology

everything we do in life iss all about survival , this is the basic foundation of living and life

So you really believe that no one ever goes out of their way to do something for others purely by their own choice to try and make the world a better place, and gets nothing out of it not even good feelings?

Well, I wouldn't say no one.

There's definitely cases where a person acts due to a stead belief in a list of morale

But I highly doubt that's the case with over 99.9%

And of course, it doesn't diminish the value of what they did

A person may join the army to escape jail

But it doesn't erase the fact that they served in the military

For an example of a good act done self lessly, an example that was inspiring to me was Bret Weinstein

Baffles me why more people don't follow that example.

Fear

In a frat party, his colleagues got a bunch of prostitutes over