No, ever

Aw bullsugar!

That's a load of hooey.

It only matters on the situation

Poppycock.

Or if they're indoctrinated or really stupid

You think everyone would take advantage of a situation at the expense of others if they knew they wouldn't be held accountable? I've heard a lot of people say that, and it certainly shows how they function

The golden rule has been come up with by every civilization.

@Schedrevka depends

"Don't do a thing you can imagine being totally fucking lame if the same thing happened to you"

I'm paraphrasing.

On what the incentive is

Or

So you're saying 'everyone has a price'?

If the individual is stupid/indoctrinated

Point I think is that honor is something that is instilled in, not something of free will

And that someone of free will would never attempt something considered honorable.

You really don't think some people choose purely to act honorably by their own choices without any incentives?

I mean, yeah when society tells you 'being honorable is good' it's going to be more likely to persuade you towards that path, but you still make your own choice.

I mean in war, the incentive is a medal and poshumous honor

In this case true honor is sacrifice for nothing.

So that means no one ever chooses to do good at their own expense with nothing(not even feeling good about themselves) in return?

Which is the issue here. "hurr durr, you didnt save those kids cause you good, you only wanted the medal"

"youre not honorable for taking the bullet, you probably wanted a reward"

Maybe I'm just too tired, but I'm not really sure what you're arguing here

And people claim you didnt do it for good, but rather the potential reward.

Its a rant really.

People do good, but then others complain about the intent.

Can't stand that. Just another case of tall poppy syndrome

But different cultures definitely don't view honor the same. Like in China cheating isn't considered a bad thing. If you can cheat in some way and get away with it that's just you being 'smart'.

More like they dont consider cheating dishonorable as opposed to it being considered honorable to cheat and get away with it

I think honor is just sticking to your stated principles no matter what.

The principles can vary.

Honor as a concept is definitely a social construct, but I'd say that there's a specific idea of 'western honor' that people in the west tend to be able to agree upon as what honor is.

Like some people's principals wouldn't be considered honorable at all regardless of how well they stick to them.

Or people assume theres some ulterior motive

Imagine having every opportunity to skipping out on your word.

But just doing so anyway, because you gave your word.

IE Pegasus giving back Yugi's grandfather's soul. u:

Thats why just about anyone who deals with the chinese in buisness will have horror stories

I can't remember the term, but Japan has a word for a favor done for others in secret. Some people would call that being stupid.