Message from @Scribblehatch
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Like a gun or a knife better
I believe this can be summed up by a song
Bet you weren't expecting that one!!
I think men are slightly *more likely* to form really strong bonds of loyalty, or to take up the responsibility of living honorably, but those relationships, and types of men definitely aren't the average men
I think only 1 in so many individuals has to be honorable. But it's a virus once seen in action
"Hey this is working rather well." And as a pattern seeking species we sorta mimic it.
Maybe in the past that was closer to the average when more men were forced into situations where they had to be that way
But it's more likely gonna be a man who has that innate magnetism to honor.
I believe no one is honorable
By default
No, ever
Aw bullsugar!
That's a load of hooey.
It only matters on the situation
Poppycock.
Or if they're indoctrinated or really stupid
You think everyone would take advantage of a situation at the expense of others if they knew they wouldn't be held accountable? I've heard a lot of people say that, and it certainly shows how they function
The golden rule has been come up with by every civilization.
@Schedrevka depends
I'm paraphrasing.
On what the incentive is
Or
So you're saying 'everyone has a price'?
If the individual is stupid/indoctrinated
Point I think is that honor is something that is instilled in, not something of free will
And that someone of free will would never attempt something considered honorable.
You really don't think some people choose purely to act honorably by their own choices without any incentives?
I mean, yeah when society tells you 'being honorable is good' it's going to be more likely to persuade you towards that path, but you still make your own choice.
I mean in war, the incentive is a medal and poshumous honor
In this case true honor is sacrifice for nothing.
So that means no one ever chooses to do good at their own expense with nothing(not even feeling good about themselves) in return?
Which is the issue here. "hurr durr, you didnt save those kids cause you good, you only wanted the medal"
"youre not honorable for taking the bullet, you probably wanted a reward"
Maybe I'm just too tired, but I'm not really sure what you're arguing here
And people claim you didnt do it for good, but rather the potential reward.
Its a rant really.
People do good, but then others complain about the intent.
Can't stand that. Just another case of tall poppy syndrome
But different cultures definitely don't view honor the same. Like in China cheating isn't considered a bad thing. If you can cheat in some way and get away with it that's just you being 'smart'.