But different cultures definitely don't view honor the same. Like in China cheating isn't considered a bad thing. If you can cheat in some way and get away with it that's just you being 'smart'.

More like they dont consider cheating dishonorable as opposed to it being considered honorable to cheat and get away with it

I think honor is just sticking to your stated principles no matter what.

The principles can vary.

Honor as a concept is definitely a social construct, but I'd say that there's a specific idea of 'western honor' that people in the west tend to be able to agree upon as what honor is.

Like some people's principals wouldn't be considered honorable at all regardless of how well they stick to them.

Or people assume theres some ulterior motive

Imagine having every opportunity to skipping out on your word.

But just doing so anyway, because you gave your word.

IE Pegasus giving back Yugi's grandfather's soul. u:

Thats why just about anyone who deals with the chinese in buisness will have horror stories

I can't remember the term, but Japan has a word for a favor done for others in secret. Some people would call that being stupid.

I'd say that makes the favor more endearing.

Like it clearly wasn't virtue signalling.

Agreed

I'd say that dovetails into "Don't brag, or I can't brag FOR you."

It's sadly one of those scenarios where if everyone was that way everyone would end up the better for it, but one person saying 'I don't need to do that to reap the benefits' can come along, and then so can everyone else. Not that that should be a deterrence for trying to make the world a better place

Everyone has good stories about Rodney Dangerfield.

Most of the nice things he did for people weren't public in the least.

That's what people really liked about em.

I thought people liked him for how his eyes bulged

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@Schedrevka nah, the reward for something doesn't have to be material

Doesn't have to be a medal, or a badge

It can be for respect, for love

I never meant to claim that, I was trying to understand what someone else was saying

advancing in the social hierarchy

I hate when people say that others only do good because they have something to gain from it whether something observable or not

Well you may hate it

But unfortunately, it's true

@Schedrevka the definition of good can be anything

Survival is not good or bad

Its either that the person has something to gain

Or that the person is indoctrinated into an ideology

everything we do in life iss all about survival , this is the basic foundation of living and life

So you really believe that no one ever goes out of their way to do something for others purely by their own choice to try and make the world a better place, and gets nothing out of it not even good feelings?

Well, I wouldn't say no one.

There's definitely cases where a person acts due to a stead belief in a list of morale

But I highly doubt that's the case with over 99.9%

And of course, it doesn't diminish the value of what they did

A person may join the army to escape jail