@Schedrevka no, hate crime laws are almost always just an amplifier on the punishment.

That's the joke

So if I kill a black guy

If I say nigger while doing it

Oh, sorry, I guess I got whoosed.

That means that'd be worse

Generally it goes Manslaughter aka accident, 2nd degree - heat of the moment, and 1st degree - premediatated

@Deleted User yes. Exactly how it works.

But if you kill someone of another race and say "I love you people btw" I think then they do actually have to let you go free

Than just killing him

So stupid

A hate crime+regular crime = double crime, but a love crime+regular crime = no crime

It's to deter racial violence. Stuff like street gangs and stuff

@Schedrevka *Kills a kraut*
"I love Nazis btw"
*Goes free*

Whoa, powerful

Which makes me wonder

Are hate crime laws a step towards Thought crime?

Like think about it

If I kill a black guy while reading huckleberry finn

Is that hate crime

Who decides if it's a hate crime

Or you support trump and kill a mexicn

That'a a big problem with it for sure, unless explicitly stated there's no way for anyone but the perpetrator to know.

Who decides the intent

Unless the culprit declares it, that is

Like even the grand dragon of the KKK can kill a black dude for reasons other than his race, but he'd likely still be slapped with those extra charges were that the case

Because someone else decided it for him

Or that he can easily lie about his intent

I honestly haven't heard of too many cases of hate crime supplements that didn't seem to have some kind of clean line.

Like, clearly racist posts on Facebook or something.

Basically the prosecution has to demonstrate its a hate crime

It's not an easy bar either iirc

Burden of proof and innocent until proven guilty

But then you're prosecuting someone for making racist posts on facebook, not for actually committing a hate crime.

No, intent is one of the most difficutl bars in the entire judical system

I love, love, love Blackstone.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Blackstones-ratio.jpg/480px-Blackstones-ratio.jpg

Someone can be racist against someone and commit a non-racially motivated crime against them

It's such a smart way of putting it. It gets exactly the response you hope for

"--Well in that case... Let's figure out the whole EVIDENCE and SLEUTHING bit."

Yes!!

Perfect!

@Schedrevka they have to commit a separate crime first. And it usually is something violent like assault.

I've quoted Blackstone's Formulation out of context. As in.. not telling them a smart old guy in a big stupid wig said it.

And they treat me like I'm fucking crazy. Until I show them the image.

"Oh--.. WELL STILL THO.."

Spineless fools.

But then you're still slapping them with additional charges over facebook posts.

Thought crime....

It has to be related to the crime too.

If I say "I'm gonna kill a spook tonight"

And then kill a black person

That's just first degree murder

Saying it might be second degree

A good lawyer might be able to argue you were emotionally driven/impuslive

But planning to murder someone without any intent aside from that would be 1st degree

"My client just really *really* wanted to kill a spook that night."

Alright I've been drawing literally all day while keeping Tim in the background listening. I just joined this server today.

If I wanted to post the art, which would be the best channel..?

Shitposting I guess

But I post my "art" in this server too

Without an image function?

And it's in this chat

@Scribblehatch you gotta have level 10

Oh fiddle faddle.

Pardon my language.

reported

😨

You can post pictures >lvl 10?

Ye

Like me

And my traps

traps are very important to internet societies

The word seems to be banned from most gaming discords I find.

It’s a good thing gamers are over

I make the best traps

The BEST

Yea?

Yea

Wanna see

**Never.**

Pls...

Fuck it here we go

the tim pool pose

Goggles make people look cool for some reason.

Especially when you're not using them.

Guys make better girls apparently. According to the fact a tranny won woman of the year after being one for a few months

Maybe it was for diversity

I thought a bunch of the others were way hotter

I remember a quote from Cowboy Bebop

Don't ask me why

Heheheh

Jet said it. "Deception comes naturally to women. But men live by iron codes of honor."