The wording he used makes it unclear what he's actually asking

but I should be sleeping so ..that might be it

how many common people have opinions that are important on a political level

In what sense? Technically most peoples opinions matter, they just matter very little individually, because all they do is vote.

Feels like you might be asking how much minority opinions matter though

Assuming we had democratic governments what percentage of people would you trust to make decisions on how you can live your life

to better clarify

Like if they had unfettered power?

Or...?

like people show up and mob rule

more of a question of who do you trust I guess

I trust who i know. Whether you think the public would be reasonable or not is more a matter of faith and hope then 'trust'

i think I get what he's trying to ask

A different level of trust for sure

like if you could decide what percentage of people would need to agree on soemthing that you would trust / support

in your version of democracy

or i guess what percentage of people are morons in your opinion

That's mostly just a pessimism question

And i dont have a answer because in a way i feel like its a stupid question to ask, its... too simple?

99.9999% are morons, only I'm smart tbh

Well I am tired and it is hard to articulate what I want

I think what you said last made clear what you want

But for me I think majority people just don't matter

but not by groups if that makes sense

I think assuming you're surfing above the crowd is some combination of naive and overconfident in most cases. At least to that degree.

I think it is somewhat random

GDPR isnt really anything new, if you were compliant to the previous recommendation (forget the name) you barely had to change anything for most of them, from what i have heard system maintainers talk about it

For me it is more, as far as improving the future, I don't feel motivated to do it for everyone

But I feel motivated to improve the lives of still a significant chunk, and by improving everyone for the sake of the potential in their kids

I mean there is plen ty of people i dont like, but saying i dont think their opinions matter in politics as a result is a bit too simple

They might not matter to me very much, but they still matter

But what if they drag down society as a whole

recommendation wasn't legally binding, it was literally 'hey guys we recommend this because this big thing is coming'
they didn't have to abide by it afaik

I might dismiss SJW's and religious conservatives as a matter of fact, but these peoples opinions still matter overall

But does every SJW opinion matter? Or do you mean that you can't dismiss the group because there are people in the group whose opinions matter

I dont get what you're trying to ask

They can all vote, they can presumably all speak

luckily theyr mostly a vocal minority

Also, the problem with 'dragging society down' is the fact it is ultimately subjective

I don't mean right to have an opinion so much as the opinion itself

Different people have very different ideas on what kind of people drag society down

either you believe their opinion matters or your doesn't matter either..as much as opinions can matter..

For example if someone has a sour opinion of myself that is purely malicious and of a troll nature I would say that particular opinion does not matter

Its the authoritarian problem, and the solution is not being a authoritarian cunt about the whole thing.

It doesnt matter to you, Sure?

But you started this out talking about politics

Politics you say?

And if you want to rob that person of voting rights because they were a cunt to you

I think we may have a problem

not like that

that sounds like a SJW thing to do

no opinion is superior to other because it's jsut that, opinion

Do you consider Erdogan a SJW?

don;t know who that is

He's not, this is a authoritarian problem in general

in a way you could

erdogan is ijw

depends Senny,

saying the sun is in the center of our solar system is a superior opinion to saying, earth is at the center 😛

islamic justice warrior

tl;dr in some ways the behaviour is remenisant of sjws

That's a situation where one has been proven to be factually correct

and the other factually incorrect

In politics you often dont really have that luxury

It's rarely 100% clear one way or another

if we didn't have science and both were opinion, my point would stand, but one is supported by science to be the truth

sure you do,

the issue with politics right now is fact vs emotions

or factual emotion vs emotions in the worst case

Welfare state:

"We don't owe people money they didn't work for"

vs

"We gotta help less fortunate people get a bit ahead in life"

from my pov welfare is a cheap insurance against criminality and instability, if done correctly though

I dont see where facts come into that.

...."cheap"

You listed two points of view

you don't fix criminality by subsidising peoples carelessness with someone elses money

to be clear what I talking about is in a philosophical way

insurance not subsidies

Okay, but thats a opinion, this is really far from 100% clear, 100% factually correct or wrong

I feel like Jordan Peterson thinking to myself "I'm not saying that"

and there is a fact,

You're taking someone elses money they earned, by force

because you feel bad for another

no, that's not what im saying

atleast trying

And yet taking money earned by force (You're talking about taxes) rarely involves force, and is widely socially accepted, if grumbled about

what happens if i don't pay my taxes?

you are assuming that welfare only care for people who never contributed to it

I dunno how you do it in the US actually

in your country,

What happens if you don't pay taxes

But here they usually start trying to intercept your money, take it from your bank account, paycheck

Something like that

yes, so they take it from you by force

you don't get to say "no" and live with your own money

Not physical force, which is what is often implied

To be fair it is an indirect potential for force rather than jumping straight to force

I for one think taxes are good

or rather highly necessary

well if we are putting it like that, you are trying to mooch of the "wellfare state" by not paying taxes

I think they're a necesarry evil,

But they're still theft,

You worked for your money, not a single person has any claim or entitlement to it than you, because you put your own time and life into earning it

I wouldn't call it theft because you choose to live in a country

I can't exactly found my own country anymore 😛

And pretty much nothing here is 100% clear like the earth center/sun center thing is, or 1+1=2
You could say that taxes are capital taken by force as a fact i suppose, but whether thats a problem, that entirely becomes a opinion

Can go to another country