Message from @Nicklii
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tl;dr in some ways the behaviour is remenisant of sjws
That's a situation where one has been proven to be factually correct
and the other factually incorrect
In politics you often dont really have that luxury
It's rarely 100% clear one way or another
if we didn't have science and both were opinion, my point would stand, but one is supported by science to be the truth
sure you do,
the issue with politics right now is fact vs emotions
or factual emotion vs emotions in the worst case
Welfare state:
"We don't owe people money they didn't work for"
vs
"We gotta help less fortunate people get a bit ahead in life"
from my pov welfare is a cheap insurance against criminality and instability, if done correctly though
I dont see where facts come into that.
...."cheap"
You listed two points of view
you don't fix criminality by subsidising peoples carelessness with someone elses money
to be clear what I talking about is in a philosophical way
insurance not subsidies
Okay, but thats a opinion, this is really far from 100% clear, 100% factually correct or wrong
I feel like Jordan Peterson thinking to myself "I'm not saying that"
and there is a fact,
You're taking someone elses money they earned, by force
because you feel bad for another
atleast trying
And yet taking money earned by force (You're talking about taxes) rarely involves force, and is widely socially accepted, if grumbled about
what happens if i don't pay my taxes?
you are assuming that welfare only care for people who never contributed to it
I dunno how you do it in the US actually
in your country,
What happens if you don't pay taxes
But here they usually start trying to intercept your money, take it from your bank account, paycheck
Something like that
yes, so they take it from you by force
you don't get to say "no" and live with your own money
Not physical force, which is what is often implied
To be fair it is an indirect potential for force rather than jumping straight to force
I for one think taxes are good
or rather highly necessary
well if we are putting it like that, you are trying to mooch of the "wellfare state" by not paying taxes
I think they're a necesarry evil,
But they're still theft,
You worked for your money, not a single person has any claim or entitlement to it than you, because you put your own time and life into earning it
I wouldn't call it theft because you choose to live in a country
I can't exactly found my own country anymore 😛
And pretty much nothing here is 100% clear like the earth center/sun center thing is, or 1+1=2
You could say that taxes are capital taken by force as a fact i suppose, but whether thats a problem, that entirely becomes a opinion
Can go to another country