Message from @Nicklii

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2018-07-19 07:36:47 UTC  

tl;dr in some ways the behaviour is remenisant of sjws

2018-07-19 07:36:50 UTC  

That's a situation where one has been proven to be factually correct

2018-07-19 07:36:54 UTC  

and the other factually incorrect

2018-07-19 07:37:02 UTC  

In politics you often dont really have that luxury

2018-07-19 07:37:14 UTC  

It's rarely 100% clear one way or another

2018-07-19 07:37:21 UTC  

if we didn't have science and both were opinion, my point would stand, but one is supported by science to be the truth

2018-07-19 07:37:22 UTC  

sure you do,

the issue with politics right now is fact vs emotions

2018-07-19 07:37:49 UTC  

or factual emotion vs emotions in the worst case

2018-07-19 07:38:18 UTC  

Welfare state:

"We don't owe people money they didn't work for"

vs

"We gotta help less fortunate people get a bit ahead in life"

2018-07-19 07:38:52 UTC  

from my pov welfare is a cheap insurance against criminality and instability, if done correctly though

2018-07-19 07:39:05 UTC  

I dont see where facts come into that.

2018-07-19 07:39:06 UTC  

...."cheap"

2018-07-19 07:39:20 UTC  

You listed two points of view

2018-07-19 07:39:26 UTC  

you don't fix criminality by subsidising peoples carelessness with someone elses money

2018-07-19 07:39:28 UTC  

to be clear what I talking about is in a philosophical way

2018-07-19 07:39:46 UTC  

insurance not subsidies

2018-07-19 07:39:54 UTC  

Okay, but thats a opinion, this is really far from 100% clear, 100% factually correct or wrong

2018-07-19 07:39:57 UTC  

I feel like Jordan Peterson thinking to myself "I'm not saying that"

2018-07-19 07:40:00 UTC  

and there is a fact,

You're taking someone elses money they earned, by force

2018-07-19 07:40:05 UTC  

because you feel bad for another

2018-07-19 07:40:30 UTC  

no, that's not what im saying

2018-07-19 07:40:37 UTC  

atleast trying

2018-07-19 07:40:43 UTC  

And yet taking money earned by force (You're talking about taxes) rarely involves force, and is widely socially accepted, if grumbled about

2018-07-19 07:40:54 UTC  

what happens if i don't pay my taxes?

2018-07-19 07:40:56 UTC  

you are assuming that welfare only care for people who never contributed to it

2018-07-19 07:41:08 UTC  

I dunno how you do it in the US actually

2018-07-19 07:41:20 UTC  

in your country,

What happens if you don't pay taxes

2018-07-19 07:41:25 UTC  

But here they usually start trying to intercept your money, take it from your bank account, paycheck

2018-07-19 07:41:29 UTC  

Something like that

2018-07-19 07:41:37 UTC  

yes, so they take it from you by force

2018-07-19 07:41:43 UTC  

you don't get to say "no" and live with your own money

2018-07-19 07:41:48 UTC  

Not physical force, which is what is often implied

2018-07-19 07:41:54 UTC  

To be fair it is an indirect potential for force rather than jumping straight to force

2018-07-19 07:42:06 UTC  

I for one think taxes are good

2018-07-19 07:42:19 UTC  

or rather highly necessary

2018-07-19 07:42:31 UTC  

well if we are putting it like that, you are trying to mooch of the "wellfare state" by not paying taxes

2018-07-19 07:42:39 UTC  

I think they're a necesarry evil,

But they're still theft,

You worked for your money, not a single person has any claim or entitlement to it than you, because you put your own time and life into earning it

2018-07-19 07:43:00 UTC  

I wouldn't call it theft because you choose to live in a country

2018-07-19 07:43:17 UTC  

I can't exactly found my own country anymore 😛

2018-07-19 07:43:27 UTC  

And pretty much nothing here is 100% clear like the earth center/sun center thing is, or 1+1=2
You could say that taxes are capital taken by force as a fact i suppose, but whether thats a problem, that entirely becomes a opinion

2018-07-19 07:43:30 UTC  

Can go to another country