if we didn't have science and both were opinion, my point would stand, but one is supported by science to be the truth

sure you do,

the issue with politics right now is fact vs emotions

or factual emotion vs emotions in the worst case

Welfare state:

"We don't owe people money they didn't work for"

vs

"We gotta help less fortunate people get a bit ahead in life"

from my pov welfare is a cheap insurance against criminality and instability, if done correctly though

I dont see where facts come into that.

...."cheap"

You listed two points of view

you don't fix criminality by subsidising peoples carelessness with someone elses money

to be clear what I talking about is in a philosophical way

insurance not subsidies

Okay, but thats a opinion, this is really far from 100% clear, 100% factually correct or wrong

I feel like Jordan Peterson thinking to myself "I'm not saying that"

and there is a fact,

You're taking someone elses money they earned, by force

because you feel bad for another

no, that's not what im saying

atleast trying

And yet taking money earned by force (You're talking about taxes) rarely involves force, and is widely socially accepted, if grumbled about

what happens if i don't pay my taxes?

you are assuming that welfare only care for people who never contributed to it

I dunno how you do it in the US actually

in your country,

What happens if you don't pay taxes

But here they usually start trying to intercept your money, take it from your bank account, paycheck

Something like that

yes, so they take it from you by force

you don't get to say "no" and live with your own money

Not physical force, which is what is often implied

To be fair it is an indirect potential for force rather than jumping straight to force

I for one think taxes are good

or rather highly necessary

well if we are putting it like that, you are trying to mooch of the "wellfare state" by not paying taxes

I think they're a necesarry evil,

But they're still theft,

You worked for your money, not a single person has any claim or entitlement to it than you, because you put your own time and life into earning it

I wouldn't call it theft because you choose to live in a country

I can't exactly found my own country anymore 😛

And pretty much nothing here is 100% clear like the earth center/sun center thing is, or 1+1=2
You could say that taxes are capital taken by force as a fact i suppose, but whether thats a problem, that entirely becomes a opinion

Can go to another country

every country has taxes

probably a reason for that

you could probably setup a big boat in international water and live there

Not every country has a income tax

because it wouldn't be a country without it, its not just welfare money,

Taxes pay for government to actually run, military etc