I dont get what you're trying to ask

They can all vote, they can presumably all speak

luckily theyr mostly a vocal minority

Also, the problem with 'dragging society down' is the fact it is ultimately subjective

I don't mean right to have an opinion so much as the opinion itself

Different people have very different ideas on what kind of people drag society down

either you believe their opinion matters or your doesn't matter either..as much as opinions can matter..

For example if someone has a sour opinion of myself that is purely malicious and of a troll nature I would say that particular opinion does not matter

Its the authoritarian problem, and the solution is not being a authoritarian cunt about the whole thing.

It doesnt matter to you, Sure?

But you started this out talking about politics

Politics you say?

And if you want to rob that person of voting rights because they were a cunt to you

I think we may have a problem

not like that

that sounds like a SJW thing to do

no opinion is superior to other because it's jsut that, opinion

Do you consider Erdogan a SJW?

don;t know who that is

He's not, this is a authoritarian problem in general

in a way you could

erdogan is ijw

depends Senny,

saying the sun is in the center of our solar system is a superior opinion to saying, earth is at the center 😛

islamic justice warrior

tl;dr in some ways the behaviour is remenisant of sjws

That's a situation where one has been proven to be factually correct

and the other factually incorrect

In politics you often dont really have that luxury

It's rarely 100% clear one way or another

if we didn't have science and both were opinion, my point would stand, but one is supported by science to be the truth

sure you do,

the issue with politics right now is fact vs emotions

or factual emotion vs emotions in the worst case

Welfare state:

"We don't owe people money they didn't work for"

vs

"We gotta help less fortunate people get a bit ahead in life"

from my pov welfare is a cheap insurance against criminality and instability, if done correctly though

I dont see where facts come into that.

...."cheap"

You listed two points of view

you don't fix criminality by subsidising peoples carelessness with someone elses money

to be clear what I talking about is in a philosophical way

insurance not subsidies

Okay, but thats a opinion, this is really far from 100% clear, 100% factually correct or wrong