every country has taxes

probably a reason for that

you could probably setup a big boat in international water and live there

Not every country has a income tax

because it wouldn't be a country without it, its not just welfare money,

Taxes pay for government to actually run, military etc

well, can always live in the woods like amonk or something

or build a cylindrical spinning space station, but they both cost a lot of money

international waters !

I'd love a space station, with a death-cannon 😦

there, I gave you perfect solution 😄

A military is basically necessary to have land, you could have your own military but it is much easier to pay a fee for one

not just easier but most would argue beneficial

@Dr.Wol Death cannon? you have caused international incidents before even leaving concept stage 😦

guy! i can barely afford my own house, how am i gonna scrape by enough dough for a realistic space station? 😄

speaking of that though, have you seen Isaac Arthur?

he got videos about space and futurism

gay space communism ?

but the point is, if you eliminate emotions,

Taxes are theft, because people can't say "no" to their money being taken

And i'm all for some degree of taxes (to an extent)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDlSORhI-k

i'm not an ancap 😄 i despise those losers

well you could argue they are a type of commerce, since you get something out of the exchange

its forced though

Ya I'm more on the side that you agree to pay the taxes

You also have /some/ say over whether they continue as is or not via voting in democratic nations

But if the majority disagrees that you're obviously boned

If you don't have a job you don'd have to pay vey many taxes

I'm not good with recognizing accents but doesn't this Isac guy have really thic australian one ?

@Senny he got a speech disability

I agree to pay taxes for the benefit of the people who are in my country, because i'm a patriot :(

I do not however agree to pay taxes so some filth from where-ever can come here, claim they're sad and oppressed, and get a free house, food, clothing and entertainment

Just because they were on a boat somewhere

And a bunch of people dont agree to pay taxes for a large military, or safety nets, or all sorts of things

Technically you do agree to it, just indirectly

yeah you can't just spend money on stuff that never going to pay into the system in some way or another

like if someone agrees to buy 80 channels of cable they won't watch

cuz the 40 are good enough

If i could opt out the current tax system of my country, i would

Would you work a job?

yes

The problem is that obviously doesnt work

pretty sure most would not pay them if they could, but you'd not have a working government either

Because of things like emergency numbers, roads, etc

Do you support globalism?

Fire fighting services

In its current form? hell no

guys, just think of it like 'my money goes into those things only' and the other people pay for the rest 😄

Okay let me ask you this

Do you support a draft in war time?

No

But do you think a company should have no implicit ties to countries?

+1

it's quite easy to say no to draft in peace time or where war is very far away

I think a company shouldn't be bound by any country

Guy i'm from the Netherlands, we BORROW tanks for training exercises,

A draft will only get my people killed 😄

including their laws?

Lol

a company should follow their laws, its their own choice to move to a country for their profit

I don't get a choice in that matter

follow the country or the companies own law?

Not enough capital to move 😦

countries laws

companies only law is "make profit"

Honestly I can't see a case for society and no tax

i'm not saying that

Participating in a job means participating in society

well if you are a tight nit community that pulls in the same direction, then it might be possible to run without taxes

I'm all for taxes, if they actually benefit the people of the country

However in current European systems, a huuuge chunk is just donated to where-ever they want to help sad poor people

Getting paid by someone, but you both want protection from others

and that is a very big **IF**

i feel like that was jab on my country Dr. Wol 😄

Our Prime Minister went to deal with Erdogan,

For 3 billion Euros, Erdogan would stop the migrants from crossing into Greece,

He then sat on his arse, and demanded another 3 billion to get to work

and we actually gave him that 😩 !!

opting out of tax system seems more like doing what possible to move to a different tax system

or changing the tax system

And now they're paying human smugglers in Libia and such to not transport migrants,

But they don't care because the NGO's are picking them up at the beaches of Libia anyway

i'm afraid the current society is so far removed from the workings of the idea how a country works for opt-in taxing to work

state rarely if ever get smaller

only way to really opt out is to either become a mountain man

They should split between "Optional" taxes
and "Fixed" taxes

once they grow they don't shrink

or move countries

optional taxes in us are basically charities

yes

you can right of donations

you guys can also write off 2% to charities ?

Opt in taxes would probably have to be quite strict in order to work

idk how much

i think way higher than 2% tho

IE; You're born only doing 'fixed' taxes, and can opt in, but never opt out

not much of an option there 😛

well

a government should only do the esentials

or very difficult to opt out

and charities do the rest

The thing is if you can opt out

You can opt in when the going is tough

and opt out when the going is good

It's non functional

You are never truly free in your life. Since you have been born you were owned by your country. 😦

I don;t know about owned

make it simple then,
IF you opt in, you get helped out and have to pay it back with interest before you can opt-out

like how a bank loan works