IT's still someone's guess or extrapolation

It may be useful, but it's not _evidence_

the reason why 1984 keeps being relevant is simply because its about authoritarianism and authoritarianism will keep rearing its head every time the next crisis pops up

Yeah I'm not trying to equate it to reality but there is a lot to learn from it.

the tactis themselves never change

only the circumstances

I don't really think so; it all hinges on what you think reality is like

If e.g. 1984 seems to reflect reality well, you heed it as a warning

If it seems off the mark, it's not credible

So it's ultimately begging the question

Like, every cyberpunk dystopia is based off of reality

@Grenade123
This is a cautionary tale fiction book compared to real world dictatorships in the same sense that the boy who cried wolf is a cautionary tale for losing trust & how valuable it is

well i can go into history and give you example after example after example

it's grounded in reality

where the same thing happened over and over again

we just havent really seen it in about 65 years or so

it's a pattern that's purposefully metaphorical and fictional in order to make sure that it can be universally appplicable, it's the patterns that matter, not the exemplified dictatorship itself

not at this scale at least

@CreativeRealms 1984's INGSOC is a kenundrum, a product of doublethink, officially it's socialist, but at the same time, despises socialism as the concept, and all it's principles, it has anti socialist policies while calling itself that

Interpreting history is tricky, though

A lot depends on what theory you use to filter it

Satanic panic

"every man on the corner is a child abductor 90's"

witch hunts

Mcarthyism as well

Two people subscribing to different theories can both claim that the same historical event vindicates their theory

yeah that

we can keep going further back, it just keeps coming back

the nazi's

@velvitonator a person looks at a number from the right saying it's a 6
the other person on the left of the number says it's a 9
they will both insist theirs is the right perspective

point is that its about authoritarianism

and we've had that since probably the stone age

exactly

the story of 1984 is not the relevant part or the one needing to be compared

its the tactics and methods

It's just a matter of time and effort that people realize Gamergate was evidence that SJWs were (and are) cancerous.

Just like it was a matter of time and effort to out Carlos Mencia as a joke thief.

they're attacking meritorious aspects of society first

namely gaming

gaming is the ultimate meritocracy, it requires reflexes, concentration, it requires patience, will, wits, strategy & generally skill

you either have that or you don't