Message from @tritrium
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said in 2014 that this was only going to end when violence got into the picture
We saw it. It happened to people.
Lives are still destroyed by it.
IT's still someone's guess or extrapolation
It may be useful, but it's not _evidence_
the reason why 1984 keeps being relevant is simply because its about authoritarianism and authoritarianism will keep rearing its head every time the next crisis pops up
Yeah I'm not trying to equate it to reality but there is a lot to learn from it.
the tactis themselves never change
only the circumstances
I don't really think so; it all hinges on what you think reality is like
If e.g. 1984 seems to reflect reality well, you heed it as a warning
If it seems off the mark, it's not credible
So it's ultimately begging the question
Like, every cyberpunk dystopia is based off of reality
@Grenade123
This is a cautionary tale fiction book compared to real world dictatorships in the same sense that the boy who cried wolf is a cautionary tale for losing trust & how valuable it is
well i can go into history and give you example after example after example
it's grounded in reality
where the same thing happened over and over again
we just havent really seen it in about 65 years or so
it's a pattern that's purposefully metaphorical and fictional in order to make sure that it can be universally appplicable, it's the patterns that matter, not the exemplified dictatorship itself
@CreativeRealms 1984's INGSOC is a kenundrum, a product of doublethink, officially it's socialist, but at the same time, despises socialism as the concept, and all it's principles, it has anti socialist policies while calling itself that
Interpreting history is tricky, though
A lot depends on what theory you use to filter it
Satanic panic
"every man on the corner is a child abductor 90's"
witch hunts
Mcarthyism as well
Two people subscribing to different theories can both claim that the same historical event vindicates their theory
yeah that
we can keep going further back, it just keeps coming back
the nazi's
@velvitonator a person looks at a number from the right saying it's a 6
the other person on the left of the number says it's a 9
they will both insist theirs is the right perspective
point is that its about authoritarianism
and we've had that since probably the stone age
exactly
the story of 1984 is not the relevant part or the one needing to be compared
its the tactics and methods
It's just a matter of time and effort that people realize Gamergate was evidence that SJWs were (and are) cancerous.
Just like it was a matter of time and effort to out Carlos Mencia as a joke thief.
they're attacking meritorious aspects of society first