Message from @Dr.Wol

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2018-10-24 19:03:32 UTC  

Facts are that if you pour half a dozen bullets through a living human beings head with a gun he'll die

No amount of "I say its not so" will change that

2018-10-24 19:03:34 UTC  

Maybe truth as in observation and fact as some theoretical reality that we need to infer.

2018-10-24 19:03:42 UTC  

A religion that forbids questions is one I don't want to be part of.

2018-10-24 19:04:11 UTC  

Anyway. I don't want to guide my life by things I cannot test.

2018-10-24 19:04:35 UTC  

i am not a post-modernist. i don't believe this crap. but you need to be able to understand those that are. you are failing to do so and your puffy statements about facts are irrelevant to those who seek to have you under their boot.

2018-10-24 19:04:35 UTC  

Truth is subjective,

Facts are static, they don't chang, no matter what anyone chooses to believe

2018-10-24 19:04:37 UTC  

To the degree that I can test religion, I would apply the scientific method, which makes the distinction moot.

2018-10-24 19:04:38 UTC  

you can never test everything that needs to be true for a plane to fly

2018-10-24 19:04:49 UTC  

No, you just don't understand what i'm saying

2018-10-24 19:04:51 UTC  

no vacation for you?

2018-10-24 19:05:05 UTC  

You don't use the scientific method for religion because religion isn't a science.

2018-10-24 19:05:11 UTC  

We both know, that those in power can compel "truth"

But no matter what they want they can't compel facts

That is why post-modernism is falling appart at every turn

2018-10-24 19:05:23 UTC  

Right, which is why I keep making the distinction between knowledge and scientific method.

2018-10-24 19:05:25 UTC  

Because you can't "Want" reality to change

2018-10-24 19:05:42 UTC  

The body of scientific knowledge and the amount I was able to verify is always imperfect.

2018-10-24 19:05:55 UTC  

But the scientific METHOD has proven itself in myriads of scenarios.

2018-10-24 19:06:06 UTC  

they're not falling apart. they might very well win. this fight is nowhere close to won.

2018-10-24 19:06:09 UTC  

So even though I do not have perfect knowledge, I have an ALGORITHM by which to proceed.

2018-10-24 19:06:35 UTC  

they will keep fighting, by any means necessary, forever.

2018-10-24 19:06:39 UTC  

yes

2018-10-24 19:06:41 UTC  

Let's say you programmed a robot:

2018-10-24 19:06:48 UTC  

but their "dreams" are incompatible with reality

2018-10-24 19:06:54 UTC  

so they'll never be able to achieve them

2018-10-24 19:06:54 UTC  

make it exterminate humanity

2018-10-24 19:07:00 UTC  

You can program a path navigation, but you can never test the robot in all conceivable environments.

2018-10-24 19:07:14 UTC  

Still, you can program a robot that does a decent job at navigating a room.

2018-10-24 19:07:18 UTC  

I have programmed such robots.

2018-10-24 19:07:23 UTC  

Its like trannies,

They might look like it,
They might act like it,
They might believe they are,

But they are not the other biological sex

2018-10-24 19:07:29 UTC  

hypocrit that you are, for you trust the same chemicals in your head to tell you they are chemicals

will you fight? or will you perish like a dog?

2018-10-24 19:07:39 UTC  

The algorithm is the scientific method - the specific rooms are akin to the knowledge and scenarios that I have tested.

2018-10-24 19:07:50 UTC  

Once I have test a lot of rooms, I get more confident. Do I have certainty? No.

2018-10-24 19:07:58 UTC  

because they factually aren't

2018-10-24 19:08:28 UTC  

even in failure post-modernists cause massive pain and suffering and threaten the entire world. the soviet union was the direct result of post-modern philosophy and not only did they kill millions, they very nearly destroyed the earth on several occasions.

2018-10-24 19:08:40 UTC  

Yes

2018-10-24 19:08:45 UTC  

and they never got their dream

2018-10-24 19:09:12 UTC  

isn't it even a communist motto?

"If you die from startvation, you just didn't want to live enough"?

2018-10-24 19:09:24 UTC  

lmao just dab on starvation

2018-10-24 19:09:27 UTC  

just eat xD

2018-10-24 19:10:47 UTC  

This topic will not go anywhere if discussed in this way. You can do good and bad things in the name of science and in the name of religion.

If we want to make sensible comparisons, we have to discuss its methods.

2018-10-24 19:11:12 UTC  

religion gives people a purpose greater than their own