I mean the problem with communism is that if it worked it would be great but it doesn't because it can be perverted

you gotta make the system so it cannot be corrupted

not the other way around

Yeah most unions seem to run for profit in my experiences

That seems to be just as utopian as communism.

unions are security valves, when's the last time you saw an union really get to the bottom of an issue instead of faking outrage only to be satisfied with breadcrumbs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Services_Union_expenses_affair

In fact, it looks like what the communists argue in some ways.

I have no doubt there's union corruption.

Well the problem is you can't make anything air tight

There is corruption everywhere.

just more degrees of "security"

I just think that unions are in principle a good thing.

My union signed away the benefits of new employees for benefits for old employees

They are why you have weekends.

I think Unions have been quickly superceded by social media

I don't have weekends though

Social media can organise people a lot quicker than Unions

You have time and a half and doublt time, then. Or you did...

modern protests are social media based

look at france, unions have been shown to be complicit with the state and powerful interest groups as soon as a roots movement sprung up

Until the unions got killed off.

Balance is key.

And checks and balances.

What if I want to form a counter-union?

Good luck

That's an employers union.

A union that fights against the current union?

They exist.

No, like, a union of employees, but they argue for different things than the first union.

Here in the US even if you don't join a union you have to give them money

The link to the labour movement, and mandatory voting are the two reasons Australia is marginally better than the US and UK right now.

I think there are situations where there are multiple unions. Not sure.

But I do know I've been well represented by my unions in my life.

I also know that there are thugs and mafia running other unions.

Compulsory unionism should be illegal.

And I believe is in AUstralia.

rando question : do you think the current state of politics in the us will bring change in that there will be a third, fourth, fifht party instead of the big two ?

I believe the system would make that very difficult.

It is set up for two sides.

I think the fact that AOC and her following are so batshit insane might mean that they would eventually split off and form their own party