It depends what you mean by ordered

i was more saying that i dont consider our society to be moving towards greater order

like Rome

dissolution

I want to switch my approach here for a minute, itll still get at the topic

Everyone has a place that they belong in society

I don't know that you can really call something disordered vs ordered, beyond how most people have a propensity to organize things.

many of the past problems in society came from the fact that they tried to define places based off of birth

peoples abilities determine their place

so you think that economic systems which allow full individuality aren't 'ordered'?

I think we're getting off track here.

Could you explain to me what you mean by order? I'm confused by how you're using it here.

I don't want to interrupt your discussion, so I'll butt out

Order is best defined by its antonym, Chaos

Chaos, in terms of humans, is anarchy

this is getting more confusing

Political Satanism, if you will

I don't think anarchy and satan are going to help me out here.

to abstract one level further, perfect order is like a machine, a clock or car

What do you mean by order? On its own. My understanding of order is an arrangement, or organization according to a set of instructions.

every piece in its place with its specific function it was made to perform

what is an example of something disordered then?

if a clock is ordered becaus each piece was placed intentionally, would disorder be an arrangement with no intention behind it?

no

well

it depends i guess

directed vs undirected chaos

Maybe a riot, but then the riotors are order amougnst themselves.

That would be directed chaos

Chaos against "the system"

I think we typically call things ordered or disordered based on how people tend to organize things.

pure chaos cannot exist because even chaotic things have laws like gravity etc acting upon them

so the ocean, while chaotic, is also somewhat ordered

I don't know that you could really call anything disordered besides a few really niche examples

order is law and predictability

predictability is a whole other concept though I worry about invoking that here.

taken from a wide enough lens, anything can have order to it

fair enough

well not anything

I think non-computable numbers could be considered disordered

as there is no way to produce them