depends what the metric of 'success' is.
Sodom and Gomorrah were trading giants in the Levant ... until they weren't

moral =/= economic

if it were good for the tourism industry for a city to host the worlds biggest pig fucking festival, should it be a no brainer?

@Spider Sutra what is your definition of success?
it's pretty clear where I'm going with it.

so you wouldn't have any issues with your city hosting the worlds biggest pig fucking festival?

> I guess I don't really care.
okie dokie. This is why western civilization is falling.
The Chinese might like their bat soup a little bit too much, but not even communist authoritarian hell holes would think that's okay (for obvious reasons).

Decadent societies lose social trust and degenerate into every-man-for-himself mentalities.
This actually leads to economic collapse.

civilization
civil
the active word
denoted order

aka, not the jungle

like Rome

dissolution

so you think that economic systems which allow full individuality aren't 'ordered'?

I don't want to interrupt your discussion, so I'll butt out