> I guess I don't really care.
okie dokie. This is why western civilization is falling.
The Chinese might like their bat soup a little bit too much, but not even communist authoritarian hell holes would think that's okay (for obvious reasons).

Because society is inherently order

You're using different language to describe them so I don't see how they're the same. One deals with society, one deals with the individual .

There's hardly a difference

@TheAnecdotalMisogynist hey bats WERE giving people weird dick infections so obviously I wouldn't promote that 😂

Decadent societies lose social trust and degenerate into every-man-for-himself mentalities.
This actually leads to economic collapse.

They are prescriptive for both the macro and micro scale

@Airman Zeno Society is order?

Ideally, yes

ideally

so not inherently

Order is morally better than chaos

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civilization
civil
the active word
denoted order

aka, not the jungle

yeah ok i fucked that part up

society is ordered by definition

no worries I'm just trying to understand your position

I don't know that it is.

It depends what you mean by ordered

i was more saying that i dont consider our society to be moving towards greater order

like Rome

dissolution

I want to switch my approach here for a minute, itll still get at the topic

Everyone has a place that they belong in society

I don't know that you can really call something disordered vs ordered, beyond how most people have a propensity to organize things.

many of the past problems in society came from the fact that they tried to define places based off of birth

peoples abilities determine their place

so you think that economic systems which allow full individuality aren't 'ordered'?

I think we're getting off track here.

Could you explain to me what you mean by order? I'm confused by how you're using it here.

I don't want to interrupt your discussion, so I'll butt out

Order is best defined by its antonym, Chaos

Chaos, in terms of humans, is anarchy

this is getting more confusing

Political Satanism, if you will

I don't think anarchy and satan are going to help me out here.

to abstract one level further, perfect order is like a machine, a clock or car

What do you mean by order? On its own. My understanding of order is an arrangement, or organization according to a set of instructions.

every piece in its place with its specific function it was made to perform

what is an example of something disordered then?