Message from @Airman Zeno
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Everyone has a place that they belong in society
I don't know that you can really call something disordered vs ordered, beyond how most people have a propensity to organize things.
many of the past problems in society came from the fact that they tried to define places based off of birth
peoples abilities determine their place
so you think that economic systems which allow full individuality aren't 'ordered'?
I think we're getting off track here.
Could you explain to me what you mean by order? I'm confused by how you're using it here.
I don't want to interrupt your discussion, so I'll butt out
Order is best defined by its antonym, Chaos
Chaos, in terms of humans, is anarchy
this is getting more confusing
Political Satanism, if you will
I don't think anarchy and satan are going to help me out here.
to abstract one level further, perfect order is like a machine, a clock or car
What do you mean by order? On its own. My understanding of order is an arrangement, or organization according to a set of instructions.
every piece in its place with its specific function it was made to perform
what is an example of something disordered then?
if a clock is ordered becaus each piece was placed intentionally, would disorder be an arrangement with no intention behind it?
no
well
directed vs undirected chaos
Maybe a riot, but then the riotors are order amougnst themselves.
That would be directed chaos
Chaos against "the system"
I think we typically call things ordered or disordered based on how people tend to organize things.
pure chaos cannot exist because even chaotic things have laws like gravity etc acting upon them
so the ocean, while chaotic, is also somewhat ordered
I don't know that you could really call anything disordered besides a few really niche examples
order is law and predictability
predictability is a whole other concept though I worry about invoking that here.
taken from a wide enough lens, anything can have order to it
fair enough
well not anything
I think non-computable numbers could be considered disordered
as there is no way to produce them
i consider those to be more like
Well, frozen ice typically considered an ordered system. Low entropy. But a puddle from the same ice cube is in chaos. Littld order and high entropy. Perhaps the same thinking could be applied?
indivisible units of information
the indivisible unit is a really hard concept for me to explain
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