Yeah , it is haha.

Feminist theories dont stand up to scrutiny or debate. That's why they shut down anything they remotely see as dissent. Is it any wonder that feminists are afraid of expressing a 'wrong' opinion to anyone, even each other?

I don't know if I can agree with you guys. While most feminists will shut you up because you're "mansplaining", I've had a few that are pretty good at debating.

too bad that they revert to attacking you

I gave up attempting to debate with Feminists because they refused to look at any of the information/statistics I provided and at the same time demanded I back up absolutely every claim/piece of information I presently

they make you work 4 times as hard and then refuse to even acknowledge your side of the arguement

its incredibly frustrating and demeaning

dont even bother

that's an arguing tactic @Maxthx

so is spitting in someone's face

naw, that's leaving the debate

I'll have to mention that the next time someone spits in my face

lol

>they refused to look at any of the information/statistics I provided and at the same time demanded I back up absolutely every claim/piece of information I presently

Yeah, the feminist is controlling you, you shouldn't let that happen. They bring up their point and they don't provide evidence, call em out on it. They ask you to verify your sources. Literally disregard it like they disregard MRAs proving the wage gap false.

Yeah, I mean I usually just say like

I've provided a source. If you doubt the source prove it false. Especially since they have not backed up any of their statements with any sources at all typically.

Like the default is supposed to be: women are most oppressed in every way, shape, or form. Any deviation from that requires ironclad statistics from feminist approved sources.

Anyone who has spent any time working on these things knows it doesn't work that way. Social sciences, public policy, etc. are all guided by conflicting "facts" brought to light by various interest groups.

Feminism also has a few decades worth of dominance in academia to make it seem more correct.

This kind of ideology always tries to legitimise itself by infiltrating science via the social side. Scientific racism started the same way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/arnhv8/can_feminism_and_the_mrm_coexist/

This topic is similar to the questions being discussed here yesterday

I don't think so.

Feminism, at this moment, is directed against men and aims to give women more power.

Therefore, unless that changes, will always go against what the MRA strive for. Equal rights for men and women.

I agree, I mean, I describe myself as an anti-feminist. Of course if feminism were to suddenly start being a fair minded, logical ideology, that could change, but there's no way there can be peace between feminists and the MRM with feminism in its current form

exactly, we arent against womens rights, we are against feminism because what they ACTUALLY SAY AND DO isnt equality. we wouldnt oppose them if they really were about fairness

wwe are forced to do what we do

Is that really true though? I actually think many MRA seem to want to give women more rights and power, because the core tenet of Feminism is that women are victims of the patriarchy and downtrodden.

To embrace feminism completely you need to identify as a victim, as there is value (within that community) to victimhood. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't embrace and be compassionate for people who have undergone difficult times in their lives.. but it should not be a ticket for entry, and it should not be celebrated or give value.

And by 'give more rights and power', I am talking about responsibility for those rights which are existing also.

Feminism has women act as victims *when it suits them*. Giving women responsibility may mean them being seen as having more agency in society than is given to them, but I wouldn't really put this under rights or power, especially as being able to use the card of having no agency can be said to be a power.

That is my point, if you give someone responsibility you give them agency.

And sure, perhaps 'rights and power' is a little bit of a misnomer.

but I do agree that the 'women and children' thing, when you think about it is a little, is quite surreal.

You're effectively saying that you deserve all the rights and protections of the powerless whilst being mandated socially to have equal power to those who have rights and responsibilities - but also repercussions and consequences.

I've actually just been talking about this with a female friend who has found out a friend of hers was being abused for years without anyone knowing about it.

His gf not letting him see friends, hitting him, not letting him use his phone at home when with her.. just suffering in silence because there is no outreach available. No shelters. When he finally went to the police, they wouldn't prosecute his case despite being one of the worst they've seen, because they only prosecute cases with >90% chance of success now.

And female on male DV isn't in that bracket.

It's truly sickening.

That's horrible, I hope he's doing better now. I agree with women should be given equal responsibility in the courts and in law. I stead we seem to be going further away from that, with feminism arguing that prison isn't the best place for women. Well no shit, it's not the best place for anyone, people go there to be punished and rehabilitated. It's a reasonable argument to say there needs to be widespread prison reform, but not to only apply that to a single sex.