Message from @Maxthx
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They wonder why men don't like them
It's the same for any of these attempts to bring feminists and MRAs or non feminists into some kind of dialogue. Feminists quickly dominate the conversation, object to the terms of debate as soon as something comes up they don't want to discuss
Also, what incentive is there for a feminist to debate anything? As they see it there's nothing to debate about feminism, it's already perfect and irrefutable. Maybe there can be debates within feminism (about trans women, etc.) but that's it.
its a little worse than that, as anyone that disagrees with feminism on any level is a Satanic Nazi that wants to eat babies and burn society to the ground
either you agree with Feminism or you are evil incarnate and everything possible is justifiable to suppress you
Pretty much
MRAs are much more open to discussion than feminists. Why do you think feminist subreddits have (some directly, some indirectly) anti-feminist policies?
its because we know our positions are rational and fact based
in a fair and open debate, feminists know they wouldnt do well
I disagree
They know how to debate
It usually isn’t using facts though
Actually some feminists admit this.
I was listening to Angela Nagle on a podcast. She admitted that feminists generally are not willing to debate anymore. There was that famous debate with Norman Mailer that is generally seen as making feminists look good. She lamented the fact that feminists aren't willing to engage in that kind of debate anymore. She said privately when she brings it up with other feminists they say they admit they don't feel confident enough in their knowledge and don't want to wind up looking stupid.
". She said privately when she brings it up with other feminists they say they admit they don't feel confident enough in their knowledge and don't want to wind up looking stupid."
this is SO telling
Yeah , it is haha.
Feminist theories dont stand up to scrutiny or debate. That's why they shut down anything they remotely see as dissent. Is it any wonder that feminists are afraid of expressing a 'wrong' opinion to anyone, even each other?
I don't know if I can agree with you guys. While most feminists will shut you up because you're "mansplaining", I've had a few that are pretty good at debating.
too bad that they revert to attacking you
I gave up attempting to debate with Feminists because they refused to look at any of the information/statistics I provided and at the same time demanded I back up absolutely every claim/piece of information I presently
they make you work 4 times as hard and then refuse to even acknowledge your side of the arguement
its incredibly frustrating and demeaning
dont even bother
that's an arguing tactic @Maxthx
so is spitting in someone's face
naw, that's leaving the debate
I'll have to mention that the next time someone spits in my face
lol
>they refused to look at any of the information/statistics I provided and at the same time demanded I back up absolutely every claim/piece of information I presently
Yeah, the feminist is controlling you, you shouldn't let that happen. They bring up their point and they don't provide evidence, call em out on it. They ask you to verify your sources. Literally disregard it like they disregard MRAs proving the wage gap false.
Yeah, I mean I usually just say like
I've provided a source. If you doubt the source prove it false. Especially since they have not backed up any of their statements with any sources at all typically.
Like the default is supposed to be: women are most oppressed in every way, shape, or form. Any deviation from that requires ironclad statistics from feminist approved sources.
Anyone who has spent any time working on these things knows it doesn't work that way. Social sciences, public policy, etc. are all guided by conflicting "facts" brought to light by various interest groups.
Feminism also has a few decades worth of dominance in academia to make it seem more correct.
This kind of ideology always tries to legitimise itself by infiltrating science via the social side. Scientific racism started the same way.
This topic is similar to the questions being discussed here yesterday
I don't think so.
Feminism, at this moment, is directed against men and aims to give women more power.
Therefore, unless that changes, will always go against what the MRA strive for. Equal rights for men and women.