Affirmative action is a far bigger issue

And it honestly seems most MRAs either don't realize this

or fear being politically incorrect

Your opinion is that feminism is too powerful and that the MRM should give up and no one should have children. Why is that issue any different? It's not. You're avoiding the question because your intent here is to sow discord

Any more discussion of this from you will be considered trolling for right now.

Am I allowed to answer the question or no?

As it stands, no

ok, fair enough. I'll just say that I don't want to sow discord.

I apologise if that's true. I hope it is temporary

@InsaneCaterpilla "I think it's abhorrent that your opinion is that men are evil for trying to live their life to the fullest and do their best by the children they bring into this world". This idea is less weird when you think of it as saying that the reason we have children isn't so that we can play with them, but so that they can play with the world. If the world isn't good for the kid, then how does one justify childbirth?

What weirds me out is suggesting that the issues unique to men make the difference between "better to never have been" and not

As far as feminism being too powerful. Probably not. However, whether the MRM will ever be able to achieve some of its goals *is* a serious question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5lV5Xy2ic&feature=youtu.be&t=74

I think that's actually a wonderful debate topic

Better than antinatalism at any rate 😉

I like the video. I've never thought that men's rights would become accepted in the world today as it means society (and all the people in it) changing its views of men. But there is hope for the future to change things, little by little, to have our voices heard and make the future a little brighter day by day. I know us here have compassion for men. Others can learn to have it too.

As the video says, there doesn't need to be enough people like that for men's rights to be considered 'main stream'. Just enough to ensure that things go in the right direction and make things fairer for men in the world.

Haha, yeah, we don't have much of a disagreement there.

@Suzaku Kururugi A defensive pact with America, England, and Europe to shoot down any and all nukes coming their way. 😃

what?

do you mean NATO?

Literally anything that can shoot down incoming nukes would solve the problem.

they're working on lasers for that

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2016/08/pentagon-were-closer-ever-lasers-can-stop-iranian-north-korean-missiles/130845/

Cool.

Are MRA's against suicide?

I think there are MRA's for and against euthanasia, which is what you mean as opposed to suicide. The fact that suicide is prevalent amongst men is used to point out that men are having problems in society and the way they are treated by it. Euthanasia by itself isn't a mens rights issue

While righttodie is something that would disproportionately affect men, I think the first thing that has to be looked at is "why the heck does this issue affect mostly men in the first place?"

I think that is why it ends up as an MRM issue. For instance, why are men more likely to be sleeping rough than women? It isn't all just a matter of government programs

Those issues are treated similarly in the MRM

And both are ~70% male

yeah, tent or sleeping bag

on the ground

As opposed to other forms of homelessness that involve actual beds mostly

That's kinda the point, though

There isn't necessarily anything wrong with sleeping rough. Generally though, people would want something better, though the reason they are sleeping rough is because they don't have the choice of better

And the situation leading up to it is bloody uncomfortable

So it's a men's rights issue

But a really complicated one

Same with suicide

Perhaps. I think eventually it will be. But MRAs are diverse. We can all agree that men have a suicide problem. I'm not so sure we can all agree on /r/sanctionedsuicide

We have pro-life people in the movement, and not a few of them