The founding fathers didn't have AR-15 as well but I that is irrelevant

it's not really irrelevant. AR-15s don't give you the ability to eliminate life on the planet

the system of monarchies was probably the best system for its time.

but times change

Democracy isn't the opposite of autocracy, it's often the path to it

Times have changed for the worse

what makes you say that?

The divorce rates, the boom and bust cycle, moral relativism, high time preference

And if I remember there is a country that has a mix of democracy and monarchism to this day

Liechtenstein

yeah. it's called a constitutional monarchy

autocrats tend not to like constitutions

Kings had laws before them, they were still subject to it

examples?

perhaps to a higher entity like the church, or to a more powerful kingdom, but not to their own people

@Valet the Clown and all those things you mentioned are a product of post-modernism, not necessarily democracy.

culture is up stream of politics, my dude.

@Dinosorcerer The salic law

ah. yes, the defining negative trait of monarchies

succession

proof positive that you can only reliably count on autocrats to provide for two things: their own status and the status of their children

also Frankish succession worked much differently than the way we think of it today and led to extended infighting amongst a king's sons whenever he died

Charlemagne attempted to remedy this, but was unsuccessful

@Oliver Starley has Russia done anything in response yet like they said they would?

Monarchies in the middle ages were not autocrats, kings were usually recognized authorities, and I rather have a very controled succession with future minded people instead of demagogues. And it is the modern not post modern when all of this happened

@H8KU of course not. They'd be nuts to retaliate

@Valet the Clown not in the case of the Franks they weren't. Charlemagne made his son, Louis the pious swear not to kill, maim, or exile his brothers (and rivals to the throne) Louis did all three after Charlemagne's death. frankish successions were notoriously bloody affairs

Yeah, and later with the Capets it became more civil

not much more civil.

Although let's face it monarchy and democracy do not bring total peace

that's not what the argument's about

the argument is what is the more successful sociopolitical system

also the Capets oversaw the hundred years war

And that it's monarchy, democracy does not erasers the high middle and low class structure but it gives each the idea of being able to become a caretaker of the public goods, but since I cannot use the capital goods later I must loot as fast as possible. It also brings the problem of letting good men in office when all you need is promise free food, free everything to the masses.

I thought those were the Valois

the valois came after

they were a cadet branch

I'm pretty sure Philip VI was a Valois

yeah. he came to power after the dissolution of the Capets in the 1320s

the Capets managed to set the stage for their long conflict with England

which had its roots in events long before the hundred years war