Message from @Dinosorcerer
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the system of monarchies was probably the best system for its time.
but times change
Democracy isn't the opposite of autocracy, it's often the path to it
Times have changed for the worse
what makes you say that?
The divorce rates, the boom and bust cycle, moral relativism, high time preference
And if I remember there is a country that has a mix of democracy and monarchism to this day
Liechtenstein
yeah. it's called a constitutional monarchy
autocrats tend not to like constitutions
Kings had laws before them, they were still subject to it
examples?
perhaps to a higher entity like the church, or to a more powerful kingdom, but not to their own people
@Valet the Clown and all those things you mentioned are a product of post-modernism, not necessarily democracy.
culture is up stream of politics, my dude.
@Dinosorcerer The salic law
ah. yes, the defining negative trait of monarchies
succession
proof positive that you can only reliably count on autocrats to provide for two things: their own status and the status of their children
also Frankish succession worked much differently than the way we think of it today and led to extended infighting amongst a king's sons whenever he died
@Oliver Starley has Russia done anything in response yet like they said they would?
Monarchies in the middle ages were not autocrats, kings were usually recognized authorities, and I rather have a very controled succession with future minded people instead of demagogues. And it is the modern not post modern when all of this happened
@H8KU of course not. They'd be nuts to retaliate
@Valet the Clown not in the case of the Franks they weren't. Charlemagne made his son, Louis the pious swear not to kill, maim, or exile his brothers (and rivals to the throne) Louis did all three after Charlemagne's death. frankish successions were notoriously bloody affairs
Yeah, and later with the Capets it became more civil
not much more civil.
Although let's face it monarchy and democracy do not bring total peace
that's not what the argument's about
the argument is what is the more successful sociopolitical system
also the Capets oversaw the hundred years war
And that it's monarchy, democracy does not erasers the high middle and low class structure but it gives each the idea of being able to become a caretaker of the public goods, but since I cannot use the capital goods later I must loot as fast as possible. It also brings the problem of letting good men in office when all you need is promise free food, free everything to the masses.
I thought those were the Valois
the valois came after
they were a cadet branch
I'm pretty sure Philip VI was a Valois
yeah. he came to power after the dissolution of the Capets in the 1320s
the Capets managed to set the stage for their long conflict with England
which had its roots in events long before the hundred years war
Yeah
Ok but how is this a white pill? I'm hangry and I need happy shit.