Message from @Valet the Clown

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2018-04-14 16:10:50 UTC  
2018-04-14 16:27:19 UTC  

I just really hope this doesn't become an annual event

2018-04-14 17:51:42 UTC  

You should have all listen to me when I said Democracy had failed

2018-04-14 17:52:49 UTC  

right. because an autocratic government is so much better

2018-04-14 17:53:36 UTC  

it's not like that shit fell flat on its face in WWI and hasn't stopped being BTFO'd since

2018-04-14 17:58:37 UTC  

>Implying the medievals were like that lmao

2018-04-14 17:58:54 UTC  

what was the 30 years war?

2018-04-14 17:59:16 UTC  

the people in medieval times also didn't have to deal with nuclear weapons

2018-04-14 17:59:54 UTC  

A war between catholics and prots which later devolved into a war of succession

2018-04-14 18:00:51 UTC  

The founding fathers didn't have AR-15 as well but I that is irrelevant

2018-04-14 18:01:43 UTC  

it's not really irrelevant. AR-15s don't give you the ability to eliminate life on the planet

2018-04-14 18:02:14 UTC  

the system of monarchies was probably the best system for its time.

2018-04-14 18:02:19 UTC  

but times change

2018-04-14 18:02:36 UTC  

Democracy isn't the opposite of autocracy, it's often the path to it

2018-04-14 18:02:49 UTC  

Times have changed for the worse

2018-04-14 18:03:15 UTC  

what makes you say that?

2018-04-14 18:04:36 UTC  

The divorce rates, the boom and bust cycle, moral relativism, high time preference

2018-04-14 18:05:31 UTC  

And if I remember there is a country that has a mix of democracy and monarchism to this day

2018-04-14 18:05:55 UTC  

Liechtenstein

2018-04-14 18:06:00 UTC  

yeah. it's called a constitutional monarchy

2018-04-14 18:06:13 UTC  

autocrats tend not to like constitutions

2018-04-14 18:06:40 UTC  

Kings had laws before them, they were still subject to it

2018-04-14 18:07:23 UTC  

examples?

2018-04-14 18:07:56 UTC  

perhaps to a higher entity like the church, or to a more powerful kingdom, but not to their own people

2018-04-14 18:16:04 UTC  

@Valet the Clown and all those things you mentioned are a product of post-modernism, not necessarily democracy.

2018-04-14 18:17:21 UTC  

culture is up stream of politics, my dude.

2018-04-14 18:24:20 UTC  

@Dinosorcerer The salic law

2018-04-14 18:28:51 UTC  

ah. yes, the defining negative trait of monarchies

2018-04-14 18:28:56 UTC  

succession

2018-04-14 18:29:50 UTC  

proof positive that you can only reliably count on autocrats to provide for two things: their own status and the status of their children

2018-04-14 18:31:12 UTC  

also Frankish succession worked much differently than the way we think of it today and led to extended infighting amongst a king's sons whenever he died

2018-04-14 18:31:35 UTC  

Charlemagne attempted to remedy this, but was unsuccessful

2018-04-14 18:37:10 UTC  

@Oliver Starley has Russia done anything in response yet like they said they would?

2018-04-14 18:42:13 UTC  

Monarchies in the middle ages were not autocrats, kings were usually recognized authorities, and I rather have a very controled succession with future minded people instead of demagogues. And it is the modern not post modern when all of this happened

2018-04-14 18:45:01 UTC  

@H8KU of course not. They'd be nuts to retaliate

2018-04-14 18:48:10 UTC  

@Valet the Clown not in the case of the Franks they weren't. Charlemagne made his son, Louis the pious swear not to kill, maim, or exile his brothers (and rivals to the throne) Louis did all three after Charlemagne's death. frankish successions were notoriously bloody affairs

2018-04-14 18:49:16 UTC  

Yeah, and later with the Capets it became more civil

2018-04-14 18:50:11 UTC  

not much more civil.