she wants a mgtow man, so she follows us around hoping one of us will dick her down...

That hoe looks old in the face

@Happy Humble Hermit I know you know the answer to that

Attention probably, from a group of men who don't easily offer a woman attention.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I only just found out about this mgtow branch. Is it like the opposite of feminism to you? And how do y'all define it? What does it mean to you?

MGTOW is not feminism, it's not about changing anything, it's living life without want for female validation etc.,

MGTOW to me means realizing how useless women are and that their validation is also useless. Were it not for sexual reproduction, society wouldn't realistically need women. It's about focusing yourself and being the best man you can be for yourself, not for women. It's also about not getting cheated by other women and even other men too. It's about self improvement and self actualization also.

Doesn't focusing on not getting female validation kind of defeat the purpose of not wanting it in the first place? Focusing on yourself makes absolute sense but it seems illogical to simultaneously spend time bashing women in your heads since your attention drifts back to them by thinking you are doing this to not be a slave to what women think of you. You're thereby obviously putting the female sex back in your thoughts which interferes with wanting to be "the best man you can be for yourself" (according to your definition). To me, this sounds suspiciously similar to women claiming to "put on make-up for themselves".
Just a variant on the other side. Is it not merely the same thing but in green?

Also, another thing I am curious about; you said society wouldn't really need women (other than for reproduction). So what is the determining factor that men are a necissity? Greater physical strength?

Intellect, think of what women have invented vs. what men have invented.

Also, people have lives, just because people spend time discussing stuff about women or the system, doesn't mean that's all they do.

I don't see how that interferes with anything.

@Artemis also, most of us cant really deny that we think about women sometimes. Its not so bad either. Just don't get pulled in with emotional manipulation. Im 21 i, my boner is pretty active in seeking women. I just conciously choose not to chase

I wasn't saying that it's all you do. How would I know? You seem to do it nevertheless. It just seemed a bit hypocritical to me since talking about it at all means that in some regard it must matter and is, at least for that period of time, your focus

But yea, Mysteriedingens (Deutsch?) clarifies it a little I guess

It doesn't get you female validation.

It's not that big of a priority in life anyways.

MGTOW is not about the assumption that women dont matter. Its just not worth it

Ya, Deutsch

Women don't matter to you is part of what it is.

What is not worth what?

Okay. Gotcha.

I mean not all of us are on a marriage strike or waiting to get back into a relationship if the system was okay.

@Artemis The juice is not worth the squeeze. The time, the resources, the effort, the emotional damage. The monogamous duties

doesnt change that i still think some girls look cute or some shit, its just in my nature and i try to embrace my natural instincs as i think its healthy to do so

That's a common thing anyway nowadays, isn't it? @ColdEmbraceOfDeath why is the term mgtow necessary?

I don't see how that is a common thing.

@Artemis in my surrounding nearly every guy seeks a relationship, i see it.

Take a country like mine, the marriage rates are up, birth rates are up, yet marriage as a thing isn't that great.

however please move the discussion to <#471844105463529472>

You stand to gain shit from a marriage in the current even in the absence of a system that backs women up, a woman's duties aren't the same the way it used to be in the past. Electricity and machines exist to do what women had to do manually.

Is it realistic to assume that since most people have their own self interest in mind that the chances are they are manipulating you into catering to their own needs over yours almost all the time during interactions?

And people generally expect you to sacrifice yourself in some way only to help them out, while they could care less about what you want?

You're not wrong to assume that, that's how most people are. Most human relationships aren't unconditional and are transactional after all, those what is involved is what differs a lot.

I ask this because I can never really know what the intentions of other people are. I've just lost trust in people in general based on what I've been learning and seeing.

A lot of this stuff can be work related and career related. You can't assume your bosses that you will have throughout your life actually care about you

It really isn't as simple as keeping your head down at work and working hard, especially if you want to do well. Everybody wants to do well, so that creates competition and I don't like competing at work

So I'm trying to figure out the career game, so I can at least have some sort of future. All I know is that playing the game requires serious involvement in the politics at work and being creative/clever/and sometimes ruthless.

Bosses don't care about you, you are at best a number on a file, they just want work from you.

Your friends at work aren't the same as friends you could have elsewhere.

People can also be measured for how much you can trust them. If someone its trying to help you, that someone is trying to gain trust points. The more trustfull, the more valluable you are.