Ya, Deutsch

Women don't matter to you is part of what it is.

What is not worth what?

Okay. Gotcha.

I mean not all of us are on a marriage strike or waiting to get back into a relationship if the system was okay.

@Artemis The juice is not worth the squeeze. The time, the resources, the effort, the emotional damage. The monogamous duties

doesnt change that i still think some girls look cute or some shit, its just in my nature and i try to embrace my natural instincs as i think its healthy to do so

That's a common thing anyway nowadays, isn't it? @ColdEmbraceOfDeath why is the term mgtow necessary?

I don't see how that is a common thing.

@Artemis in my surrounding nearly every guy seeks a relationship, i see it.

Take a country like mine, the marriage rates are up, birth rates are up, yet marriage as a thing isn't that great.

however please move the discussion to <#471844105463529472>

You stand to gain shit from a marriage in the current even in the absence of a system that backs women up, a woman's duties aren't the same the way it used to be in the past. Electricity and machines exist to do what women had to do manually.

Is it realistic to assume that since most people have their own self interest in mind that the chances are they are manipulating you into catering to their own needs over yours almost all the time during interactions?

And people generally expect you to sacrifice yourself in some way only to help them out, while they could care less about what you want?

You're not wrong to assume that, that's how most people are. Most human relationships aren't unconditional and are transactional after all, those what is involved is what differs a lot.

I ask this because I can never really know what the intentions of other people are. I've just lost trust in people in general based on what I've been learning and seeing.

A lot of this stuff can be work related and career related. You can't assume your bosses that you will have throughout your life actually care about you

It really isn't as simple as keeping your head down at work and working hard, especially if you want to do well. Everybody wants to do well, so that creates competition and I don't like competing at work

So I'm trying to figure out the career game, so I can at least have some sort of future. All I know is that playing the game requires serious involvement in the politics at work and being creative/clever/and sometimes ruthless.

Bosses don't care about you, you are at best a number on a file, they just want work from you.

Your friends at work aren't the same as friends you could have elsewhere.

People can also be measured for how much you can trust them. If someone its trying to help you, that someone is trying to gain trust points. The more trustfull, the more valluable you are.

Well, hard work alone doesn't get you far as it could, you have to put up a front and be approachable, likeable, etc., to them to survive in the office environment.

Boop.

Would you recommend going monk mode on a early age? I kind of want to detach from everything and just leave work all on myself. But it seems depressing and lonely

Similar situation. Since the teenage brain is developing, it's cares more about connections and relationships due to science and such, making it harder from my experiance to be alone. But if you can make the journey it could be worth it, I'm still not sure.

How would you know if girl is being chameleon when you are talking to her?

@Chained Ant1vst my personal opinion is : you should try out relationships, but never forget ( and thats the hard part) that they are definitely not forever and love is temporary if existent at all

and i would suggest you to only start dating if your desire to find a girl that will fulfill you is gone

a girlfriend should be an accesoir, you are the price in the game

dont spend resources on unsure things and stay always top of your game.

every women will tell you mgtow is for loosers and blabla. Dont listen to their words, listen to their actions.

And you will see when the honeymoon is over. Then its time to break up and take that reference / life experience to decide if you should continue to date

@Chained Ant1vst As soon as you start to play with fire, you get burned. Thats why you gotta do self checks and keep being aware of everything in a distant picture

thanks, i had a toxic relationship before so i can relate

@Chained Ant1vst me too man. Two years long. that happes when you are falling to the soulmate shit

@Deleted User you could never know 🤷🏽‍♂️. Master manipulators.

So your saying be careful.

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