that was kind of true since the 30's though

The left was against wwii

my question would be is the conservative party the dominant culture, and has it slowly evolved and changed it's views over time or has it slowly itself been slowly replaced by an entirely different culture?

@everybodydothatdinosaur stop talking in terms of parties

Berkley riots broke out in the 30's against WWII

becuase liberals haven't changed a bit

obviously when we pulled out of vietnam this ended the war in vietnam, right? pulling out doesn't lead to peace, it leads to more violence once the power vaccume is filled

this is a reminder that the progressive party of teddy was republican, liberals used to be republican, dont talk in terms of parties @everybodydothatdinosaur , i dont even know if you are reading what i am saying or just circle jerking your own thread of posts

it won't work today etheir ,but they are convinced this will lead to an "end" of foreign wars, as they define the end as us withdrawing, as opposed to the violence ending, and then connect the two things

*i use the conservative party as a placeholder term*

if you dont want to have a conversation then just keep going on

the reality is though, the left doesn't really believe in equality etheir, hence the desire for affirmitive action and whatnot

You must put one above the other or assume the other is worse etc.

The left believes in EQUITY, equality of OUTCOME

The thing is, more than anything I think is that people in general like to think we are equal under the law or equal in human value, not equal at all things

@everybodydothatdinosaur there are two types of egalitarians, the ones that think nature shows that everyone is equal, and the ones that believe that nature is unequal and it is the duty of the state to make it equal

Someone may be smarter or stronger or whatever, but the value as humans doesn't neccessarily change, treatment under the law and so on, for a fair system

I believe in equal access to opportunity, we have achieved that in the usa

or egalitarians that believe everyone is equal but don't want to enforce mandated equality of outcome

@everybodydothatdinosaur some humans are more valuable than others, there are worse humans and better humans, dumber and smarter, stronger and weaker

American culture or ideology, whatever you want to call it, is based off of the idea that people are all equal and have certain immutable rights

I even believe in helping people who are in bad situations, even though that's not really promoting egalatarianism, even if in some way it's their fault. But of course the left goes off the wall bonkers

@TeeTotaler this was not always the case

@Brue. Subjectively, yes

equality is not a marxist concept, nor was it really

obviously the term "equal" applies very broadly

even in marxism, he says each according to his need and ability

@everybodydothatdinosaur. Right

this isn't really assuming everyone is the same, although ultimately it does lead to this essentially

that is everyone becomes interchangeable cogs, calling each other comrade, instead of sir and madam

@TeeTotaler go read tge 1760 immigration act

only free whites

I mean equality of access. No making black people stay off the internet

no men or woman, only comrades! sounds like a liberal paradise alright

NO PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ME AND WOMAN, lol

everyone is an interchangeable cog

not surprising the modern left takes to communism so quickly

Liberals aren't the lefties

@TeeTotaler im trying to have a conversation with you since no one else is actually conversing here, they are all circle jerking their own ideas

oh man plz no

I just use the term liberal and left interchangeably as the defintions are vague and amorphous anyways