the reality is though, the left doesn't really believe in equality etheir, hence the desire for affirmitive action and whatnot

You must put one above the other or assume the other is worse etc.

The left believes in EQUITY, equality of OUTCOME

The thing is, more than anything I think is that people in general like to think we are equal under the law or equal in human value, not equal at all things

@everybodydothatdinosaur there are two types of egalitarians, the ones that think nature shows that everyone is equal, and the ones that believe that nature is unequal and it is the duty of the state to make it equal

Someone may be smarter or stronger or whatever, but the value as humans doesn't neccessarily change, treatment under the law and so on, for a fair system

I believe in equal access to opportunity, we have achieved that in the usa

or egalitarians that believe everyone is equal but don't want to enforce mandated equality of outcome

@everybodydothatdinosaur some humans are more valuable than others, there are worse humans and better humans, dumber and smarter, stronger and weaker

American culture or ideology, whatever you want to call it, is based off of the idea that people are all equal and have certain immutable rights

I even believe in helping people who are in bad situations, even though that's not really promoting egalatarianism, even if in some way it's their fault. But of course the left goes off the wall bonkers

@TeeTotaler this was not always the case

@Brue. Subjectively, yes

equality is not a marxist concept, nor was it really

obviously the term "equal" applies very broadly

even in marxism, he says each according to his need and ability

@everybodydothatdinosaur. Right

this isn't really assuming everyone is the same, although ultimately it does lead to this essentially

that is everyone becomes interchangeable cogs, calling each other comrade, instead of sir and madam

@TeeTotaler go read tge 1760 immigration act

only free whites

I mean equality of access. No making black people stay off the internet

no men or woman, only comrades! sounds like a liberal paradise alright

NO PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ME AND WOMAN, lol

everyone is an interchangeable cog

not surprising the modern left takes to communism so quickly

Liberals aren't the lefties

@TeeTotaler im trying to have a conversation with you since no one else is actually conversing here, they are all circle jerking their own ideas

oh man plz no

I just use the term liberal and left interchangeably as the defintions are vague and amorphous anyways

constantly shifting

Liberals have core principles unlike the left

state mandated equality of outcome is different from egalitarian views of human being equal in inherent value

I think the problem is that the context of "equal" has changed. Clearly they weren't speaking of equal pay or equal dick length. If I had to state it I would probably say it would be a more anarchist sentiment like "there is no hierarchy of authority" when they speak about the term "equal". There are probably better ways to say it but i am small brain

@everybodydothatdinosaur eight

eight principles o.o

@TeeTotaler of course

There are two main ideas if equal in use in modern politics. Equality=equality of opportunity and Equity=equality of outcome

I focus on the former. We have achieved that

mhmm

This is more or less the case