i had no idea he owned a train line but it makes sense that he would

i really want to see Warren debate Trump, he can rip her a new one just byshowing some charts and explaining some basic addition and subtraction concepts

her plan is impossible to fund the way she says she'll fund it, period

yeah, but id like to see justice done for all of her outright lies

i think making her apologize would be enough, that would break her

it's easy, her plan would cost at least 5 trillion a year, total assets of all USA billionaires is 3.6 trillion. to have them pay for it would require seizing everything they have and it would only fund her plan for a part of a year. she can then say "we'll tax the corporations to pay for it and the middle class will be spared". Um, no. All taxes added on corporations will be considered a raise in the cost of doing business so they'll all raise their prices for services and goods in lockstep. The middle class will directly fund their tax costs.

plus, if she seized the assets of the rich she'd also be shutting down businesses that employ the majority of americans. she's a fraud

at least the guy she stole her ideas from is honest about it, bernie says everyone will pay increased taxes.

@Brue i have two wishes for the next presidential term, the first is 2 more Supreme Court seats, the second is that the Debt and Deficit will be a priority. if those things are done, that's plenty for me

im brand new here, yesterday

SC will stop the socialists

the lower courts too, we need more seats filled

yeah, SC is number 1

my #2 is an overhaul of the educational system, but that's a pipe dream

get rid of public schooling, set up a voucher system and let private schools battle it out

you read much thomas sowell? @Brue

yeah, he cites a lot of friedman

i see Human Action is freely available, getting it now

i'll have to get up to speed on that, i spend 4 hours a day dedicated to studying stuff

yeah, ill start checking out that book tonight @Brue. im not very familiar with friedman except he's cited a lot

if they're going to do UBI, then they (at the same time) need to drop a bunch of other programs. I don't want UBI mostly because if you give them an inch, they'll try to take a mile. UBI would be up for increases every election season

in my state, Food Stamps can be used for https://www.schwans.com/ deliveries and they're not only very expensive, the drivers make money off their sales

we had to bitch to get them to stop letting Kentucky Fried Chicken take stamps

if beggers weren't directly begging and they offered a service, like playing their guitar for people, im fine with that

im fine with churches holding food distribution days for people, i wouldn't say it's really begging when people show up for those

i'd rather have that than government doing it

offering free stuff at stores for shoppers if they spend X amount of money would fall under BEGGING if the definition is that extreme

our local catholic churches are redistributing food that would be thrown away otherwise, it's getting dropped off by businesses that don't want to completely waste it,. i feel that people coming in to take it away aren't beggers as much as they're doing a service for our ecosystem

right @wotmaniac

before there were laws protecting businesses that donate food, i had to intentionally destroy any food that was to be thrown away at businesses i worked at

i feel all welfare can be done the way it used to be done, by religious institutions. get the government out of it

cutting the programs and people will rise up to deal with it

look at what happened when the Meals On Wheels program had some cuts, it actually became better off after people realized meals on wheels could use some help

in michigan, in january, people have to work to keep benefits unless they're actually disabled to the point that they can't

that's a start in the right direction, people who just won't work won't be qualified for food and medicaid handouts

we have a lot of leftards here in michigan, but we still passed that action

yeah, i hate that part

if they can prove they're looking, they can stay on it

some of them aren't that motivated

it'll chip down the welfare a bit

i'm not a defeatist with things like this, a move in the right direction is better than nothing

if one state would do it and showed really positive results, that could be an awesome thing

im not sure what yo're pointing out @Brue

if a state did that, and could point at improvements, other legislatures might join in

i don't have high hopes for it

i believe it is possible to do this sort of thing and not slide back as long as we make sure there is legislation to interfere with sliding back

i was born and raised in california, i am pretty sure it would be impossible to accomplish there, i'll give ya that

i have hopes we can accomplish these things because there's been a lot of "thatll never happen" good things going on the last 3 years

like gun sanctuaries

10 years ago i would never have thought states would put into law to not cooperate with federal law

i don't think far future punishments stop people who are using crack

i think that prisons for violent offenders is mostly useful for giving those people a time-out until their testosterone levels lower. keep them locked up until their mid-30s and they slow down a lot with the impulsive stuff

we could go on all day with the possible "what about"'s

i prefer less legislation, i'd like to see more removed

we did very well with immigration before we stared up with the welfare systems

id directly go after what's enabling the welfare system. our legal system should be about giving the government rights, not taking away ones they just took for themselves

(or that we voted for them to take)

i'd vote in some crazy person even, one that wasn't shy about kneecapping welfare in general

example: the constitution

the consitution is about what the government CAN do.

it lays everything out clearly, if it's not in there, hands off

something is unconstitutional if the constitution doesn't lay it could clearly

the government can't just make up new shit to do without SC getting involved

like liberty?

hello, civics classes from junior high were bullshit

if the government does something that can be seen to interfere with my liberty, i can challenge it. that's pretty much everything

if any law prevents me from doing something, i can challenge it.

on constituional grounds

that's why i say it doesn't give the government the right to do whatever

if i can demonstrate that their legistlation interferes with my pursuit of happiness, i can challenge it

the constitution puts the power on the people, if they don't think that it's a bill of rights for the government, some of you being silly

not permanently

sure

and you have a right to challenge

sure, i agree

im talking about the government's rights

pretty much everything is covered. it just depends on interpretations of wording. for instance, abortion is fine as long as the babies aren't considered PERSONS

if unborn babies were persons, everyone would have to keep their hands off

not permanently

we have hope

i have hope

i have hope that the supreme court will clearly define that a fetus is a person

babies can survive at 4 months of gestation now, it's about time we consider them people

the constitution protects PEOPLE.

make the fetuses PEOPLE and ta-da, it's done

sure, as long as theyre convicted of interfering with other people's constituational rights, fine

serial killers are definitely interfering with rights

yup

i agree

we are in a time where what used to happen is up for grabs now

we can't keep thinking the past will always repeat itself (well, we CAN but then we'd be fatalists)

we can change

babies are people just like unborn kittens are kittens. if you open up cat that's about to give birth, kittens will pop out

it's amazing how that works 😄

it's would say it's up to reality

IF the fetus were considered a person, you'd quickly see that the constitution is more about us vs giving the government any rights

things would change fast

sure, id be interested

im going to start on that Human Action after dinner.

awesome @Brue