I got almost exactly 50, -50 (right wing libertarian)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079763923845419009

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-idUSKCN1OU0WE

Fucking Neo-Cons couldn't use their advantage to get shit done for 2 years, but they *just happen* to want to give it a swing right before they lose their majority

<:makes_you_think:382980749780844554>

https://twitter.com/sarahthustra1/status/1079803665928593409

they never wanted anything to change.

as the status quo was perfect for them as it did line there pockets with money, what the people wanted was unimportant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDE4mRwfSQ

Can we yeet the leftist diaspora jews please

@Fitzydog then let's start the new year with no fed <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

Oy vey! 🤫

@galesteppes @Fitzydog

Before I begin, I would like to say that I am not a collectivist. I have a very individualist ideology, in that I think a society which forces collectivization necessarily needs everyone to be on the same page. That is why there is often a tribal group dynamic in left wing organizations which is against free speech, and does not allow free, individualistic thought.

Now, that said, some of the basic problems of capitalism would be inequality, environmental destruction, and the inherent unsustainability of a system which must always expand for it to exist. That is aside from the inherently less enjoyable quality of the work place.

Inequality is present under capitalist systems where there is great wealth gathered at the top, while tens of thousands of people die because they don't have health care, millions are under student loan debt, and the first world exists because of the exploitation of the third world. To expound on the third world argument; the first world consumes many resources, so much so that it would require many planets for the third world to operate on the level of the third world. Yet, instead of sharing the wealth of these first world countries with the world, companies ship jobs over seas so they can pay lower wages.
This takes us to the problem of wages, and why the tendency of the rate of profit to fall will necessarily lead to the end of capitalism. In a world with finite resources, a system which must expand indefinitely, cannot grow indefinitely. Especially when faced with peak oil reserves, and global warming which threatens aggriculture, water supplies, and coastal areas. Capitalism, when it cannot grow anymore, will collapse, and we will need to adopt a sustainable system.

Capitalism's toll on the environment - whether it is because of solely capitalism, or industrialization in general - has been massive. Capitalism requires growth, and it, as well as heavily industrial communism are unsustainable. 60% of species on the planet have gone extinct, there is now global warming which threatens to destroy the planet if we do not eliminate greenhouse gas emissions in 12 years. That is because of the greenhouse effect, in which gasses build up in the atmosphere and cause the planet to retain heat. If the planet reaches a critical temperature, it could enter the runaway greenhouse effect, which is what wiped out venus's oceans.

Now, I see the problem with collectivization. It leads to a society which is Orwellian, and...

at least you're not a centrist anymore @meratrix

It's always been in this area.

Okay so

You argue that capitalism must expand

@✿ Mittens ✿ You know that there are free market opportunities to help the environment?

I disagree.

i dont even know where to start with that Mittens

i'm pretty damn sure that guy is just a copypasting asswipe, fitzy

Cap is about supply and demand

I just wrote it on the spot, nyuu

saw him do that a few times already

@nyuuns2 No, they've been here for a while

ah okay then

There are resources that we either reuse, or cannot deplete.

Mittens actually writes this

Look, the free market is cleaning up the Pacific garbage patch

And the ideal capitalist system would be 100% efficient, reusing the resources it spends.

Are govts doing that?

Mittens is not arguing about govt right now, Fitz. Just economics.

Ahh, okay. But still

1 inequality is in all systems. Communism and socialism create far more than capitalism. And they prevent movement which capitalism allows.

Environment is a touchy one. Species have been going extinct for eons. And it will come back wit other ones. Also co2 is a minor polutant compared to even water vapor.

inequality is present in every system. even "communist" systems had massive inequalities, much moreso than capitalism at any point.

the third world has had lots of economic growth in the past few decades due to capitalism, which has brought so many people out of poverty.

in regards to wages, there are new occupations being created every day. first starting out as extremely well paying but with low number of people who can do a job, but over time was more people join the occupation, their wages fall due to supply and demand. think of airline pilots. they were once highly respected and very well paid. now they are glorified bus drivers.

Regarding the environment, I agree that the climate changes, however I disagree with the amount of human involvement. we just don't know how much is the fault of humans at this point, and as more and more evidence becomes available, its starting to look more like a catastrophic changes, rather than gradual changes (IMO of course). 99% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct, so I think it would be foolish to think of the world and its ecology as unchanging. plus, if you are really concerned about the environment, you should be looking at china... a "communist" (or at the very least, socialist) country.