Conservative is a loose term, relative to the current political paradigm.

Libertarian is a consistent set of beliefs about the status of government in relation to the citizens

Yah

Both are classical liberals

Libertarian thinks govt should fuck off to varying degrees

but this got me thinking: dankula considers himself a libertarian, but would you? Or is he also a "classic liberal"?

I mean, if you can draw circles, that would actually be pretty helpful. Because at least for me this "spectrum" is more or less turning into a complete mush of labels.

it's not a spectrum

You can be both

It's an overlap

Conservative, in the US context, *is* liberal. Because the only political tradition to 'conserve' here is classical liberalism from the enlightenment.

Correct

It is a spectrum, but in more than two directions.

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'murricans don't have the old fashioned crown-loyalist conservatives

Also yes

what with not being a monarchy

We do get idealistic about our founders though

Who doesn’t?

your founders also weren't as inbred as some of the royal families here <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

Hapsburg shmapsburg

One was a poor urchin

Like, if an American is a hard-core conservative they want a constitutional republic. Which is kind of a liberal position. Perversely a hard-core liberal wants socialism which isn't very liberal at all.

Right.

So it doesn't translate well.

how bad is the inbreeding in the UK?

Conservatives also tend to be more practical and pragmatic I think.

the terminology in the US is also kind of wonky, compared to the rest of the world

Yah

You bunch hardcore socialists together with some shades of classical liberals

They kick the liberals out lol

Classical Liberals have basically fled to the Comservatives for support in America, because they aren't actually too dissimilar from Conservatives.

I hear Classical Liberals are called British Liberals in the US 🤷🏿

strange that

Never heard of that Broo

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I dunno

We forget you ever existed, let alone you have politics.

but we invented it

And we don't care, you have done WHAT with it?

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