Message from @Mal

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cus school wasn't gunna teach you

2019-01-25 00:41:34 UTC  

Conservative is a loose term, relative to the current political paradigm.

Libertarian is a consistent set of beliefs about the status of government in relation to the citizens

2019-01-25 00:41:59 UTC  

Yah

2019-01-25 00:42:20 UTC  

Both are classical liberals

2019-01-25 00:42:37 UTC  

Libertarian thinks govt should fuck off to varying degrees

2019-01-25 00:42:45 UTC  

but this got me thinking: dankula considers himself a libertarian, but would you? Or is he also a "classic liberal"?

2019-01-25 00:42:52 UTC  

I mean, if you can draw circles, that would actually be pretty helpful. Because at least for me this "spectrum" is more or less turning into a complete mush of labels.

2019-01-25 00:43:00 UTC  

it's not a spectrum

2019-01-25 00:43:00 UTC  

You can be both

2019-01-25 00:43:07 UTC  

It's an overlap

2019-01-25 00:43:10 UTC  

Conservative, in the US context, *is* liberal. Because the only political tradition to 'conserve' here is classical liberalism from the enlightenment.

2019-01-25 00:43:22 UTC  

Correct

2019-01-25 00:43:23 UTC  

It is a spectrum, but in more than two directions.

2019-01-25 00:43:46 UTC  

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2019-01-25 00:43:51 UTC  

'murricans don't have the old fashioned crown-loyalist conservatives

2019-01-25 00:43:52 UTC  

Also yes

2019-01-25 00:43:59 UTC  

what with not being a monarchy

2019-01-25 00:44:21 UTC  

We do get idealistic about our founders though

2019-01-25 00:44:32 UTC  

Who doesn’t?

2019-01-25 00:44:35 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/538157202028888076/unknown.png

2019-01-25 00:44:49 UTC  

your founders also weren't as inbred as some of the royal families here <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

2019-01-25 00:45:08 UTC  

Hapsburg shmapsburg

2019-01-25 00:45:16 UTC  

One was a poor urchin

2019-01-25 00:45:44 UTC  

Like, if an American is a hard-core conservative they want a constitutional republic. Which is kind of a liberal position. Perversely a hard-core liberal wants socialism which isn't very liberal at all.

2019-01-25 00:46:01 UTC  

Right.

2019-01-25 00:46:20 UTC  

So it doesn't translate well.

2019-01-25 00:47:07 UTC  

how bad is the inbreeding in the UK?

2019-01-25 00:47:15 UTC  

Conservatives also tend to be more practical and pragmatic I think.

2019-01-25 00:47:19 UTC  

the terminology in the US is also kind of wonky, compared to the rest of the world

2019-01-25 00:47:27 UTC  

Yah

2019-01-25 00:47:38 UTC  

You bunch hardcore socialists together with some shades of classical liberals

2019-01-25 00:47:53 UTC  

They kick the liberals out lol

2019-01-25 00:49:00 UTC  

Classical Liberals have basically fled to the Comservatives for support in America, because they aren't actually too dissimilar from Conservatives.

I hear Classical Liberals are called British Liberals in the US 🀷🏿

strange that

2019-01-25 00:49:21 UTC  

Never heard of that Broo

2019-01-25 00:49:24 UTC  

^

2019-01-25 00:49:43 UTC  

We forget you ever existed, let alone you have politics.

but we invented it

2019-01-25 00:50:16 UTC  

And we don't care, you have done WHAT with it?