Message from @Mal
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those big vats in their production facilities? Clone trooper vats <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
oy vey
Yeah libertarian has been around for a while.The memes are about internet libertarians who are in fact retarded.
Well fuck
I'm not that old. I mean I can vote (although I choose not to), but I don't spend most of my day on politics, so I'm not very well-versed on politics.
Guys, young people are into fads.
but atleast you all got you learn what all the words actually mean
cus school wasn't gunna teach you
Conservative is a loose term, relative to the current political paradigm.
Libertarian is a consistent set of beliefs about the status of government in relation to the citizens
Yah
Both are classical liberals
Libertarian thinks govt should fuck off to varying degrees
but this got me thinking: dankula considers himself a libertarian, but would you? Or is he also a "classic liberal"?
I mean, if you can draw circles, that would actually be pretty helpful. Because at least for me this "spectrum" is more or less turning into a complete mush of labels.
it's not a spectrum
You can be both
It's an overlap
Conservative, in the US context, *is* liberal. Because the only political tradition to 'conserve' here is classical liberalism from the enlightenment.
Correct
It is a spectrum, but in more than two directions.
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Also yes
what with not being a monarchy
We do get idealistic about our founders though
Who doesnβt?
your founders also weren't as inbred as some of the royal families here <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
Hapsburg shmapsburg
One was a poor urchin
Like, if an American is a hard-core conservative they want a constitutional republic. Which is kind of a liberal position. Perversely a hard-core liberal wants socialism which isn't very liberal at all.
Right.
So it doesn't translate well.
how bad is the inbreeding in the UK?
Conservatives also tend to be more practical and pragmatic I think.
the terminology in the US is also kind of wonky, compared to the rest of the world
Yah
You bunch hardcore socialists together with some shades of classical liberals
They kick the liberals out lol
Classical Liberals have basically fled to the Comservatives for support in America, because they aren't actually too dissimilar from Conservatives.
I hear Classical Liberals are called British Liberals in the US π€·πΏ
strange that