Message from @Skeez

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2019-08-19 01:48:32 UTC  

Women should have long hair tbh

2019-08-19 01:58:02 UTC  

If God real

2019-08-19 01:58:22 UTC  

Why do my balls itch

2019-08-19 01:58:41 UTC  

@Wrath looks like someone else should have the trap role

2019-08-19 01:59:10 UTC  

eks deeeeeee

2019-08-19 02:46:08 UTC  

ok so
>God is all knowledgable
>God is all powerful
>God exists outside of time and space
therefore
>You have no independant sovereignty separate from God
>God already knows your entire story and how it ends before you were ever born

2019-08-19 02:47:16 UTC  

This doesn't account for free will

2019-08-19 02:53:53 UTC  

why not? can't we have free will, and yet God would still know how our story ends, and yet we still have no independence from Him?

2019-08-19 02:55:12 UTC  

@ninjacats are you an atheist?

2019-08-19 02:56:16 UTC  

i dont know anymore

2019-08-19 02:57:17 UTC  

Becuase free will defines our path.

2019-08-19 02:57:43 UTC  

Like, the only end we can be certain of is death, but how you get there is entirely up to you, not God

2019-08-19 02:58:22 UTC  

Some denominations dont believe in free will and say that all their actions have been decided for them anyway and use that as an excuse to act irresponsibly

2019-08-19 03:03:49 UTC  

so you think that, by your reasoning, you can imply that we are independent of God? this is to say that we can surprise God through our actions (meaning to act in a way God doesn't expect?)

could you also imply that we have no sovereignty, and still believe in free will? are these two concepts mutually exclusive?

2019-08-19 03:06:13 UTC  

The ultimate misunderstanding of calvinism is that it's justification for shitty behavior, it's not. It just treats free will as a system of human understanding, not a divine system because God is sovereign. You're still responsible for your actions in Calvinism, God just knows you're a shit already if you're gonna decide to turn out a shit.

2019-08-19 03:06:53 UTC  

It's probably a common misunderstanding because people actually use it as an excuse IRL 😛

2019-08-19 03:08:39 UTC  

@SUPER MALE VITALITY™ but calvinism also believes in salvation through grave alone, meaning being a bad person is irrelevant to whether he's chosen you. is that true?

2019-08-19 03:08:40 UTC  

I can explain the Catholic view of predestination if you want Ninjacats

2019-08-19 03:09:29 UTC  

OH GOD OH FUCK

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/612845566879072278/unknown.png

2019-08-19 03:09:56 UTC  

Curaed group

2019-08-19 03:10:01 UTC  

Cursed

2019-08-19 03:10:06 UTC  

like my page pls

2019-08-19 03:10:39 UTC  

@Wrath okay but i need to go to bed, so ill have to read it in the morning

@SUPER MALE VITALITY™ or maybe the ones He's chosen wouldn't be bad people by definition.

2019-08-19 03:11:27 UTC  

The Catholic view is 1st degree predestination

2019-08-19 03:11:36 UTC  

God knows everything that will happen

2019-08-19 03:11:48 UTC  

But he didn't choose it

2019-08-19 03:11:55 UTC  

Calvinism is second degree

2019-08-19 03:12:05 UTC  

Essentially, you were born to go to heaven

2019-08-19 03:12:29 UTC  

No matter how you go about things you will always return to God in the end as you are destined for it

2019-08-19 03:14:44 UTC  

Move chat to Filth pit

2019-08-19 03:14:53 UTC  

Yeah, essentially God set everything up exactly as it was meant to be, meaning they have the most literal interperetation of sola gratia. Those who leave the church were never part of the church, those who sincerely come to Christ at the last second do so just as they were meant to, by absolute grace. No part of it pretends to predict who is who, and who is predestined or not, only that in the end everything works out according to God's will, and we won't know what that looks like until it happens.

2019-08-19 03:16:17 UTC  

Calvinism is dumb

2019-08-19 03:16:24 UTC  

You have to accept God freely

2019-08-19 03:16:32 UTC  

No one is destined for heaven

2019-08-19 03:16:48 UTC  

You choose the path, God just already knows

2019-08-19 03:24:20 UTC  

That's the point though, you still do. Calvinism doesn't say you don't, only that you were going to.

2019-08-19 03:30:48 UTC  

Calvinism asserts that God chose you

2019-08-19 03:31:15 UTC  

Instead of you, of your own free will, coming to God

2019-08-19 03:44:25 UTC  

It's not perfect, but I never fault a system for trusting God more

2019-08-19 03:53:29 UTC  

Can anyone here tell me Nietzsche worldview is gay