Message from @Mac tíre iarain

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2019-08-19 00:43:56 UTC  

OH GOD HES COMING OVER HERE OH GOD

2019-08-19 00:53:19 UTC  

Better run

2019-08-19 00:53:47 UTC  

HES TOO FAST OH MY GOD HOW CAN HE RUN SO FAST TED CRUZ PLEASE DONT PLEASDEOEI INO eJBHHF ASDsad

2019-08-19 00:54:39 UTC  

run.mov

2019-08-19 00:54:57 UTC  

ted cruz moves at sonic speed

2019-08-19 01:40:07 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/612823076077436928/68843405_10217842145224308_2229468152704532480_n.png

2019-08-19 01:42:39 UTC  

/r/atheism

2019-08-19 01:42:59 UTC  

epic

2019-08-19 01:43:03 UTC  

now im atheist

2019-08-19 01:43:10 UTC  

because god cruel bible man

2019-08-19 01:43:24 UTC  

bad things happen god not real

2019-08-19 01:43:31 UTC  

<:wojakbrainlet1:510858664534474752>

2019-08-19 01:48:32 UTC  

Women should have long hair tbh

2019-08-19 01:58:02 UTC  

If God real

2019-08-19 01:58:22 UTC  

Why do my balls itch

2019-08-19 01:58:41 UTC  

@Wrath looks like someone else should have the trap role

2019-08-19 01:59:10 UTC  

eks deeeeeee

2019-08-19 02:46:08 UTC  

ok so
>God is all knowledgable
>God is all powerful
>God exists outside of time and space
therefore
>You have no independant sovereignty separate from God
>God already knows your entire story and how it ends before you were ever born

2019-08-19 02:47:16 UTC  

This doesn't account for free will

2019-08-19 02:53:53 UTC  

why not? can't we have free will, and yet God would still know how our story ends, and yet we still have no independence from Him?

2019-08-19 02:55:12 UTC  

@ninjacats are you an atheist?

2019-08-19 02:56:16 UTC  

i dont know anymore

2019-08-19 02:57:17 UTC  

Becuase free will defines our path.

2019-08-19 02:57:43 UTC  

Like, the only end we can be certain of is death, but how you get there is entirely up to you, not God

2019-08-19 02:58:22 UTC  

Some denominations dont believe in free will and say that all their actions have been decided for them anyway and use that as an excuse to act irresponsibly

2019-08-19 03:03:49 UTC  

so you think that, by your reasoning, you can imply that we are independent of God? this is to say that we can surprise God through our actions (meaning to act in a way God doesn't expect?)

could you also imply that we have no sovereignty, and still believe in free will? are these two concepts mutually exclusive?

2019-08-19 03:06:13 UTC  

The ultimate misunderstanding of calvinism is that it's justification for shitty behavior, it's not. It just treats free will as a system of human understanding, not a divine system because God is sovereign. You're still responsible for your actions in Calvinism, God just knows you're a shit already if you're gonna decide to turn out a shit.

2019-08-19 03:06:53 UTC  

It's probably a common misunderstanding because people actually use it as an excuse IRL 😛

2019-08-19 03:08:39 UTC  

@SUPER MALE VITALITY™ but calvinism also believes in salvation through grave alone, meaning being a bad person is irrelevant to whether he's chosen you. is that true?

2019-08-19 03:08:40 UTC  

I can explain the Catholic view of predestination if you want Ninjacats

2019-08-19 03:09:29 UTC  

OH GOD OH FUCK

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/612845566879072278/unknown.png

2019-08-19 03:09:56 UTC  

Curaed group

2019-08-19 03:10:01 UTC  

Cursed

2019-08-19 03:10:06 UTC  

like my page pls

2019-08-19 03:10:39 UTC  

@Wrath okay but i need to go to bed, so ill have to read it in the morning

@SUPER MALE VITALITY™ or maybe the ones He's chosen wouldn't be bad people by definition.

2019-08-19 03:11:27 UTC  

The Catholic view is 1st degree predestination

2019-08-19 03:11:36 UTC  

God knows everything that will happen

2019-08-19 03:11:48 UTC  

But he didn't choose it

2019-08-19 03:11:55 UTC  

Calvinism is second degree

2019-08-19 03:12:05 UTC  

Essentially, you were born to go to heaven