Message from @Spartan322
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Fuck there's a lot of us listening lol
schrodniger's cat is a thought experiment about a specific interpretation of quantum theory
the majority of the subject is beyond scope and its gonna lead on the subject
19 people in all
God is a theory
*surprised Pikachu*
its also (currently) entirely based on specific interpretations of a variable theory
which isn't definitively known or defined
God was / is a tool that was used to control vast groups of people. Do this, don't do that or god will smite you. You don't wanna be dust do you, fall in line
broke take
idk why I'm listening to two people who don't know what they're talking about debating with each other
I'm a little dejected, I was hoping this would be more specific and definitive
yeah later folks have a nice rest of your evening :)
I still am willing to try and propose a ponder on the subject later on or post-debate/post-QA, but anything I'll end up saying would probably break the discussion
Tbh metaphysics was probably a bad jumping point for a first debate. It honestly works better as a discussion anyway
partly, but the bigger issue is broken theologic foundation
you can't argue this unless you have a definite form for the subject which just to point out is by definition of omnipetence impossible
Metaphysics always meanders on
thus humanistic reason can not achieve a definitive nor reasonable explaination regarding some god or the God
Just get proof god exists, all these other arguments are meaningless
if A then B then C
Nah, it still doesnt quite follow
You could prove a higher power exists and it could be not-God
Or it could be one of many higher powers
but you'll always get stuck on what created those beings
which becomes circular
The Great Will my dude
if its omnipetent then you still can't explain its existence through humanistic reason
I came to watch two nerds yell at eachother.
Muh movers
I do need to legit read more about gnosticism though
I'm waiting for it to get passive aggressive.
only thing I need to ponder on is how fat dat ass --->>>🍑
God for those who believe is a journey to proof that will never be found but it's the journey that matters.
Lame journey
just to point out that's not true, at least for Christian Theologians
The cosmological argument is bullshit. It's just another God of the gaps argument. "I can't imagine what could have caused the universe to exist therefore it MUST have been God"
isn't this argument a rather god of the gaps argument? which is a very safe but pointless point to hold?
Richard Carrier of Atheism+ fame countered with the Universe As God response
its a problem of poor understanding of non-supernaturalists
and bad theologic understanding