Message from @CandidApples
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you can't argue this unless you have a definite form for the subject which just to point out is by definition of omnipetence impossible
Metaphysics always meanders on
thus humanistic reason can not achieve a definitive nor reasonable explaination regarding some god or the God
Just get proof god exists, all these other arguments are meaningless
man would not believe no matter the proof
if A then B then C
Nah, it still doesnt quite follow
You could prove a higher power exists and it could be not-God
Or it could be one of many higher powers
but you'll always get stuck on what created those beings
which becomes circular
The Great Will my dude
if its omnipetent then you still can't explain its existence through humanistic reason
I came to watch two nerds yell at eachother.
Muh movers
I do need to legit read more about gnosticism though
I'm waiting for it to get passive aggressive.
only thing I need to ponder on is how fat dat ass --->>>🍑
God for those who believe is a journey to proof that will never be found but it's the journey that matters.
Lame journey
just to point out that's not true, at least for Christian Theologians
The cosmological argument is bullshit. It's just another God of the gaps argument. "I can't imagine what could have caused the universe to exist therefore it MUST have been God"
isn't this argument a rather god of the gaps argument? which is a very safe but pointless point to hold?
Richard Carrier of Atheism+ fame countered with the Universe As God response
its a problem of poor understanding of non-supernaturalists
and bad theologic understanding
Which was interesting to read through
This whole discussion is for fags at the end of the day.
as literally zero religions in existence argue that all their god did was be the first observer.
and @Mongo Jongo yeah this is a very academic discussion
If we accept that there must be a mover, and the universe exists, why can the universe not be its own mover, as God would necessarily be the first mover if used as a cause
Word salad
What is?
this is gonna be rephrased 6 times before somebody says enough
and the argument itself will never change
Oh in the actual debate
Aight gs.
Not you beeman...
I've heard self causing one too many times.
Was confused for a moment lol
I'mma head out 🤗👌🏽😎